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[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 99 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

I know that it's mostly a joke, yet it is worth mentioning that those valuable spices were exclusively used by the rich and wealthy. Ordinary people and their food did not benefit from the spice trade at all. If you delve a little bit into culinary history and find out what the aristocrats did with (for example) extremely rare and precious nutmeg the British Empire fought wars over, you want to dig up their bones, revive them, just so that you can kill them again.

[–] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I mean, that's true, but hasn't been the case for at least a century, so why do they still eat like the aristocrats are hoarding all the spices?

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

WW2 rationing really messed up their culinary scene

[–] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Sure, but that ended in the 50s. They can no longer reasonably use that excuse.

[–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The real problem in my view is that people don't recognise post-imperial fusion cusines as 'legit' British food even though the curry house is the definition of an Anglo-Indian institution. When people in Britain claim the tikka masala it's not being twee or politically correct, rather it's earnestly considering an immigration-originated fusion cusine as part of the wider national one.

Also even pre-20th century British food isn't exactly bad, I'd argue it doesn't travel amazingly in many cases but a Sunday roast in our climate is sheer perfection. Too many people expect France or Italy from a country with nothing like their climate.

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[–] Knitwear@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (9 children)

We don't. It's a bit.

The part people forget is that we didn't just take the spices, we took the whole cuisine and the people who could cook it.

The general British public has been eating a multicultural diet for a very, very long time. So when you see bangers and mash, rather than wonder why it isn't spiced, consider that we're just being retro and tomorrow we'll have Indian and the next day Chinese and....

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[–] Klostein@reddthat.com 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 7 points 1 week ago

Jesus fucking christ, there's never a shortage of harrowing greed

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[–] fonix232@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're somewhat correct but also not.

The spice scarcity and making do without is a result of two world wars ravaging a somewhat isolated island nation. See e.g. the Irish potato famine. Some were misfortunate enough to have no food at all - and many had to live with bland, rationed food items.

Those decades were formative and a lot of that stuck around.

And to be perfectly honest... I kinda like it. I like spiced (spicy in the flavourful, not the hot sense) food too, but there's some beauty in putting together a dish of meat and potatoes where you let the flavour of the meat and potatoes come through. In some sense it's actually similar to Japanese cuisine, specifically sushi, where the focus is on the fish itself, with minor added flavours (salt from soy sauce, heat from wasabi).

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[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The limies weren't even that big into the spice trade, it was the dutch. You mention nutmeg, nutmeg and cloves came from a certain string of small indonesian islands only. There were some english traders there, when the dutch were trying to monopolize the trade.

The dutch sent a delegation, that angered the natives that killed them. The dutch came back and exterminated the natives. Killed every single one of them, and the english and other traders there.

Edit: Adaman islands if memory serves, fuzzy on the years no time to look up.

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[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I dated a British girl in high school. She microwave broccoli in water. No salt or seasoning. No butter. No nothing.

She took it out, drained the water and told me her dish was done.

That was the last time she made anything for us.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Sounds like me, except I would drink the broccoli water.

Once you reset your palette, cutting out excess salt and sugar and cheap fats, and processed foods, you learn to enjoy the taste of whole foods all on their own. Salted ourselves to taste, which is far less than processed food will add.

[–] Burray_Mookchin@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

...there's gotta be a healthy solution somewhere between industrially processed meals and plain microwave-boiled broccoli

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[–] AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Everyone always forgets that Chicken Tikka Masala is a British dish and one of the most popular meals in the country

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[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Walking down a high street in the UK. I smell loads of spices from even the shit takeaways.

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[–] funkless@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (21 children)

There's somewhere between 10 and 20 spices in the food pictured, why do you think its orange?

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean the beans mostly get their color from the molasses and sugar but lots call for Worcestershire sauce which is going to have a bunch of stuff.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

Bean juice?

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[–] FluidBeef@quokk.au 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Funny how much the yanks bring this up to distract from their own food culture.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 20 points 1 week ago

Nonsense. You can't bite into an American meal without immediately tasting a wonderful selection of flavours, like:

  • salt
  • corn-derived sweetener
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[–] starik@lemmy.today 19 points 1 week ago (9 children)

ITT people believing the self-deprecating jokes white cultures have been telling about themselves are actually 100% true

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[–] abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The rest of the world thinks that Britain doesn't use spices, what we don't know is that for some reason, we seem to use them in our confectionery.

We really like ginger.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

The British eat so much Indian food it's crazy. There's a Nando's on damn near every corner in London.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The tragedy is that many of the spices most jealously traded for became so integral to British and international cuisine that memesters don't even realise that they were ever unusual or expensive. I guarantee you that those baked beans have a bunch of black pepper in them and guess what... pepper don't grow in Britain! It's in more or less every single kitchen thanks to a global spice trade that is now forgotten. Ginger is a main flavour in many British recipes and also doesn't grow in Britain.

But Britain was in fact not that big a player in the spice trade, being beaten by the Dutch, who got there first and had better financial backing. The British East India Company tried to make its way by raiding ships of the Dutch East India Company but after a bunch of wars eventually had to settle for less exciting endeavours - trade in cotton being a staple.

The Dutch are themselves not renowned for their food either, though it is my firm belief that every country has great food if you're willing to look past your prejudices, and stamppot is great.

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[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Anyone shit talking fish fingers is going to get a visit from me and my sledgehammer in the middle of the night. You've been warned!

Leave my motherfucking fish fingers out of this!!!

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have eaten fish fingers in the UK and fish sticks in the US. The UK ones are delicious. This meme is not from someone who has ever eaten them.

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[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fish don’t have hands. Where do the fingers come from?

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[–] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

Do you like fishdicks?

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 1 week ago (15 children)

visited a greggs for the first time this summer, i was genuinely shocked at what they served. it's like they went out of their way to not put any flavor in. and it was packed.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah because a Stilton and cheese bake is totally favoueless, right?

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Not enough salt and corn syrup for the discerning American tongue

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[–] remon@ani.social 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It certainly won't earn you any favours with me!

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You can't improve on perfection

[–] remon@ani.social 11 points 1 week ago

Sure. But what does this have to do with British food?

[–] chunk6235@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"perfection"

"British food"

Pick one

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[–] arc99@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

People think Britain doesn't use spices. Read Mrs Beeton's recipes from the 1800s. It's ALL the herbs & spices - all spice, curry, chilli, cardomom, fenugreek, ginger, mace, nutmeg, pepper, saffron etc. British cooking really hasn't changed that much if you look at it in its entirety.

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