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[–] iatenine@piefed.social 187 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)
[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 83 points 3 weeks ago

well 1 out of 23 humans checking to see if random internet claims are true is better odds than i expected, well done sir

[–] protist@retrofed.com 21 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe true if you're comparing 60+ to under 5

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you select North America and slide the slider between 2050 and 2080 it looks like a face opening their mouth and screaming.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

1950's America with that flared base!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Okay but you're looking at more than just white people

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 91 points 3 weeks ago (32 children)

Low birth rates are a crisis for capitalism, not humanity. And if you count brown countries, it's not even happening.

Pension schemes are not a biological imperative.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Infinite growth of human population would hit a hard ceiling on earth resources real soon.

People not having babies is a good thing.

[–] Splenetic@lemmy.nz 13 points 2 weeks ago

The 1st 40years of my life i was told I had to worry about over population, in the last 5 I've been told I now need to worry about "demographic collapse"

[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not about infinite growth.

Given that not everyone lives to old age, we would expect children to outnumber old people even in a zero (or slightly negative) percent growth scenario.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 56 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Yes, this IS fine. There's too many people on this fucking planet. The only reason this is considered a problem is because capitalism and the Bible says so.

No other reason. Period.

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

While I half agree with you, that's definitely not the only issue.

Senior citizens become people to take care of, that won't/can't work and I don't mean that in a "dear God consider the GDP" way, but literally just people who will not be contributing but still require services, in fact likely a lot more than normal.

It ends up being a lot of neglected senior citizens dying in horrible ways.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

Senior citizens become people to take care of,

Children need more resources to raise than seniors take.

[–] mig@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I suppose if you are just thinking about things like cost of formula, diapers, clothes, education. In terms of time spent, children take less and less one on one time as each year passes. They have a finite timeline of required care.

The elderly become less and less independant, the care they require becomes more and more medical in nature, and there is no timeline. Someone with dementia can require around the clock medical care for decades.

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[–] bryophile@lemmy.zip 45 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

After all this time humanity finally created a world with high life expectancy, just to start wondering now whether we should.

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 27 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

As long as that high lifespan comes with a high healthspan, it shouldn't be a problem.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

So what's your alternative? Infinite growth?

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Sounds like a situation that will self correct in a few decades, no?

[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

People think we need to keep growing the population. We're stuck on a single planet together. If we could live on the moon or Mars it would be a different story, but I think it's perfectly fine to decrease the population size back to 1980s levels, at least.

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[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Good. There are too many people. Why do we want to expand on a 7billion+ population when so many of us are struggling? How about we only have as many people as we have resources for everyone having a good life?

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I'm not arguing for population growth but we definitely have more than enough resources for everyone now. Scarcity isn't the problem, it's that we allow people to hoard those resources and we waste a ton of them.

[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

When we can prove it by providing everyone the same (good) standard of life, across the entire world, then I'll believe it.

Stuff like everyone has housing, clean safe water, safe to eat food, able to escape from extreme climate swings, healthcare, vacation, parental leave, and I'm sure lots more that I'm not thinking of.

Once everyone has that, then we can look at what we can expand on

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

would it be better if the population was growing past 9bn?

There's a stable population the ecosystem can support and I'm pretty sure 9bn is too fuckin many.

not that I'm volunteering to free up space tho... there's a whole lot of techbro chuds who think there's way too many people, but their motivations are pretty genocidal tbh.

honestly we're fucked in either direction, but I suspect there's a lot of reasons the population total will go down once the climate crisis starts shifting millions of people around.

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[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Oh no, who did this? (sarcasm. a few people have gone out of their way to ensure everyone else's suffering)

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago

How to say you don't understand sustainability without saying you don't understand it. :-)

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It’ll be fine. The baby boom our grandparents cane from was an anomaly

[–] Nautalax@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The US baby boom is not really meaningful on a global scale

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, but only the inner lips of the labia matter

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[–] 98vesselsreptile@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago

Nice vagina

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Baby boomers also had more kids than the generation that preceded them. So did Gen X. Millennials are the first to fail to even replace their own population.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't owe the future anything.

I don't give a fuck if our species survives. Why should I?

Everything ends someday.

[–] potpotato@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

The issue is we don’t just go straight from point A to B, rather there’s a long period of suffering.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

Not just fine, good.

[–] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Karma for them being dicks.

[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they're hiring caregivers like crazy in my state

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It is indeed fine. In 1900 there were about 1.6 milliard people, versus the 8.3 today.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

ok let's revolt before it's too late for the planet then?

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