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[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'm Canuck.

I don't hate USians..

( ALL people who are citizens of the Americas, South, Central, OR North, are Americas citizens, aka Americans. )

I hate both the national-narcissism which eventually blossoms inyo totalitarianism/cults, including the MAGA-cult,,

& the abomination-methods of the MAGA-cult, the zionism-cult, the christofascism-cult, the islamism-cult, the manosphere-cult, the confucian-supremacism-cult, the various ideological-cults, the Physicalist-Matetialist-Existentialist Scientism cult which disallows all evidence falsifying it ( as Rupert Sheldrake has pointed-out there are multiple experiments which falsify that ideology/religion, but the evidence is simply ignored/denied, axiomatically ), etc.


Bernie Sanders, AOC, Mamdani ( & his Mom the documentary-director who made him become who he is, from what i've read ), & Snowden,

.. ALL deserve The Order of Canada ( or whatever our highest-honour is ), for their loyal & upright representing of grass-roots people of their-own country!

That work of theirs makes our world better,

& Canada, being in our world, benefits from all such upright good work, everywhere.

Beauty, eh?


Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen.

🙏

Yeah, same here honestly

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's not just Trump. It's the Tea Party and Bush, too. We've spent the last quarter century looking over our shoulder waiting for the next catastrophe that Americans will cause and we're sick of it.

[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Honestly I’m sick of American arrogance too, the American empire should balkanize and die

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[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hey Canada, a lot of Americans are right there with you.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Cool. So do something about it.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 118 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Hey a lot of Americans hate America because of Trump, too.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 77 points 4 days ago

I’d also say most of the world hates America because of Trump. He’s a global parasite.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 48 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

I hated America before it was cool to hate America.

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

I am starting to hate it because of America's tepid reaction to Trump

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 80 points 4 days ago (21 children)

One thing that's really frustrating is that in other countries where democracy is in danger you see huge protests in the streets.

Hong Kong protests

Hungary protests

France protests

That gives the distinct impression that even if the average American doesn't support what Trump is doing, they don't really oppose it enough to bother shutting down the country.

[–] zeroclue@sopuli.xyz 43 points 4 days ago (11 children)

I ask myself for quite some time now: where are Americas young people? In most countries, if something goes as wrong as in America at the moment, the first who respond with protests are the students. Just check out India. But in the US there are only a few local protest about the middle east. No mass protests, not even discussions as far as I can tell. Why is that?

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

America is an experiment in how far you can push individualism. Collective action, unions and the like are suppressed compared to other countries. They'll have to relearn that individual responsibility has limits and collective action is still important.

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[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I think there are two main reasons. The first is that things simply haven't gotten bad enough. It's true, there is a health care crisis killing tens of thousands a year, rampant human rights violations in ICE concentration camps, brazen corruption in the administration, etc. But for most of the uneducated and uninformed middle class, these things don't directly affect their daily lives.

The second reason is that the mass indoctrination campaign concerning American exceptionalism has been immensely successful. So while many Americans agree some things could be improved, they are unsure of what those things are because they also still believe the US is one of the best places in the world to live, even as the US has steadily tumbled down the quality-of-life rankings and now arguably ranks below the likes of Estonia and Slovenia. The belief in exceptionalism has fostered a rather meek and servile attitude towards the government.

[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And that’s why American exceptionalism and any other kind of national exceptionalism needs to die

It will take a economic depression, mass unemployment, civil unrest, oil prices going to the moon, civil war, hyperinflation and mass famine to kill American exceptionalism

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[–] sobchak@programming.dev 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, in the US, the protestors are mostly older people. I think maybe they're too anxious and don't want to jeopardize their future careers? Maybe they saw the concerted effort to ruin pro-Palestine protestor's lives? Most companies do background checks (I've had to get a background check to work at Burger King), and even a single arrest on your record is enough to have you automatically filtered out. Maybe they saw that the BLM protests didn't really cause the government to change much. Idk. It is weird though.

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[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

After the Civil rights and anti-Vietnam protests of the 60s and 70s, public policy changed to quietly hoover up all of the hippies via the drug war and cut funding for universities and colleges. That, plus McCarthyism and the oil shortage lead to Boomers being one of the most conservative generations in American history. They, along with the government, pushed this idea of freedom through self-reliance and hard work. Those were always the undercurrent of America's politics, but now there were basically no dissenting voices (cause they were all in jail for possession or for being a commie).

The next generations of leftist voices were crushed by the heel of capitalism. Since college and university cost more, individuals participating either needed to already have money (thus be more likely to swallow the "individual effort" freedom narrative) or needed to take out loans (thus needed to keep their mouth shut, since student loans are "forever loans" that can't be forgiven via bankruptcy and they needed employment to pay them back). High school and lower education was stripped of "commie" talking points, meaning the sole narrative taught to young people before college was "America is the best cause of our freedom" nonsense. Unions were taken during this time with "right to work" laws, handing more unchecked power to corporations.

Right now in America, there's a resurgence of leftist voices, but these are students with no masters. We have to rebuild the organizations to support these efforts, but that takes time. In the interim, you'll see mass protests break out from time to time when things get bad, but our lack of generational knowledge on how to utilize these efforts means they'll come and go fairly quickly as individuals are unsure of what comes next. And before those protests can solidify around a single message or platform, mass media will come in to give them a shit one, or twist the actual one to lose public support. That's why the George Floyd protests were big and loud, but didn't really drive any consistent goals. The "defund" narrative was constructed around the movement before it could actually decide that was its goal, and that was too an extreme for position for the average American in that moment (think the Overton shifted on that, now), killing the momentum the movement was gaining.

Another thing is that the gov't targets leaders of these movements and finds a way to put them in jail or kill them. Meaning being the face of the movement is basically guaranteed to get you killed or silenced. So none of these modern protests have true leaders (not single strong men, mind, but actual decision making bodies in general), making it hard to quickly organize messaging and actions. Putting them even more flat-footed for when the next moment arises.

Also, any popular protest in the US that doesn't include rioting gets basically no air time. The George Floyd protests went on for months after the news stopped covering them. Minneapolis' response to operation metro surge outlasted the operation, but you don't hear about it being celebrated.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not surprising at all. Look at how many convinced themselves to stay home the one time they couldve prevented this shitstorm.

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

And those non-voters are still patting each other's backs.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

As a Canadian, it's Trump

...AND his supporters

...AND you can throw in Christofascists

...AND Christian fundamentalists.

So since Westboro for me, personally.

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[–] stevles@aussie.zone 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Not a single country on Earth that likes the US. Only the US claims to like the US, and even then it’s more propaganda fuel than anything.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago

except israel and russia, which only it is convenient currently.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Are you saying no country that likes the US is rael?

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[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I dont think most americans know whats happening. It’ll be way too late when they wake up

[–] Tiral@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think you over estimate Americans giving a crap.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 days ago

They'll give a crap when it affects them personally.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I've been wondering this myself.

I'm some sort of weirdo who likes solar panels and EV's and thinks people should be allowed to be people no matter the color of their skin or the plumbing in their pants, which makes me some sort of commie hippie freak because I live in rural Oklahoma.

And there seems to be a lot of effort aimed at keeping people in this deep red state unaware of all that is happening, although gas prices are higher than normal here (I saw $3.79/gal this morning I think) amd groceries are getting expensive. But none of this is really mentioned. As far as the local news is concerned, there is no war in Iran, Trump has everything handled, and all is well. And a great many people here, especially old people, believe it all because that is all they see.

It's no excuse.

[–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 13 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Obama had the power to nationalize the banks and arrest the people who engineered the crisis. But instead let them go.

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[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 44 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Canada hasn't been making military alliances and trade deals with every other country for the last year for nothing. They also didn't just recall their military for nothing either. Canada's fortifying itself in plain sight and the trump admin are too stupid to notice.

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[–] HaroldBaws@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, Same here honestly

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 3 days ago

Was this still a question? I thought that ship sailed long ago, with everyone but Israel.

Ah, who am I kidding, Israel hates us, too.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You hate the same people we hate, Canada. Those people are broken, ignorant assholes before they are Americans. Their bullshit ruins the world for all of us.

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (18 children)

So like, do something about it maybe?

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Really quick, list what you think civilized, nonmilitary, individual folks with families should do against a 50 year systemic plan, funded with trillions and led by literal psychopaths fixed on destabilizing democracy to rebuild a fascist autocracy in their own image? Every day is a real internal struggle of what to do next. Many of us have spent decades opposing in every way typical folks can, bleeding, arrest, life threatening opposition face to face with swat teams as unarmed, untrained every day people.

Your response is not helpful. It trivializes one of the largest issues in the history of civilation with no clear solution ahead.

The point of my response is that WE are not opposed, so don't try to make the good folks into opponents. Grow up, see the bigger picture and support. Offer solutions and plan on what your personal line will be when this all finds it's way to you.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Whatever you though the Germans should have done to the Nazis pre-WWII. Whatever you think the Russians should do to Putin. Whatever you think Israelis should do with Netanyahu.

My grandpa fought in WWII. He never asked the Germans if they supported Hitler, though. He just dropped rocket artillery on them from a few km away.

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago

everyone hates america.

[–] grandpaST@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

By "no confidence" we mean no trust. When our closest ally declares economic warfare through tariffs, threatens annexation, and blackmails the opening an international bridge, there is no trust left. Canadians are smart enough to know this won't end after Trump is gone. It will take decades to reverse. We will develop stronger relationships with other countries, something that we should have done earlier anyway. The U.S.A. can burn their own house down - we don't care. Just don't try to burn ours with it.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 3 days ago
[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Americans also hate America thanks to Trump.

Yeah, I can confirm this

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[–] Murse@slrpnk.net 19 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Murican here. If we're going to learn from our fuck around phase, the find out phase needs to hurt.

Like an alcoholic waking up to a hangover from hell and vowing to never let that happen again, that hangover could be the best thing that's ever happened to the addict.

The more our president throws his tantrums, the more we should be shunned, isolated, and ignored by the rest of the planet. Politically and financially.

To the non-muricans here, sorry for being such a shitty neighbor. I look forward to earning back your respect - hopefully that day comes soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

How can there be there earning back respect? The US is a two party system, so even if there's a good president a few years later the next bozo comes around drives things back to shit again.

Trump has managed to terminally damage transatlantic relationships, this will result in a new world order in the long run. Over here in the EU thinking about sovereignty is suddenly a thing, getting independent of others.

There can be trade with the US in the future, but no trust anymore. Interestingly the long term view is viewing the US a lot like China, someone whom you cooperate with economically but do not trust on a political level.

Of course a less shitty period in governance would ease things a bit over, but there's no way the next guy like Trump will grab power in 10 years or so. The American political system is built in a way that it just flip-flops between the big parties. IMO the population and elections are just a minor side function of this.

As fucked up as out system is over here, I'm fucking happy we have a parliament and not "winner takes it all". At least it feels a bit like voters have a bit of influence.

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[–] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Could say sorry, but that won't cut it. I just hope you see there are people here in the us that want all of maga leadership and billionaires to be dead and reject them. We just can't convince others. It has to be in thier face because a huge chunk are in auto pilot. I will keep fighting, however I can.

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