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[–] Graphiar@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

Still using Windows 10, but after testing out Linux on the side last year I’ve come to the conclusion it’s ready. Other than anti-cheat being in the shitter once Win 10 is officially dropped for good by games I’m moving over to Arch.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

That's just bs, with win11 at over 70% vs 12% win10.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Sorry, but this sounds like its half bs.

It probably has less to do with "rejecting" or anything to do with RAM, and more likely to do with all the embedded systems running it, or lazy people who don't upgrade simply because they don't need to

I know lots of people running old versions of Mac OS, and it is because their hardware doesn't support newer, and it works fine for their usecase. They're not thinking about the hardware in any way.

In fact, in contrast to MacOS, Microsoft actually offers this extended support option, whereas Apple tells its users to get f'ed fairly quickly (yet another reason NOT to use MacOS / Apple. You pay a premium for hardware they often don't support for long). Also, Ubuntu offers 15 years now support for LTS (which is crazy).

I use Fedora btw.

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They're not thinking about the hardware in any way.

Yeah, but that's also because Apple doesn't even inform the user that their version of macOS is EOL. So unless you're an active follower of Apple news, most people won't care -- at the least simply because they wouldn't even know. Same thing with Android, etc... whereas Microsoft makes it annoyingly obvious that you're running an unsupported version.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

That's true.. And its not a good thing either,

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 hours ago

Does ESU require a Microsoft Account? Because that’s probably the underhanded/shady bit of this whole thing.

“All your data are belong to Microsoft.”

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Just reposting something. Most of it probably applies to Windows 10 too.

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PSA, for people sticking to Windows:

You can get a reasonable level of privacy by installing Windows Enterprise via RUFUS, which also has options for removing restrictions during installation. Massgravel is used to activate your copy of Windows, the Github also having .ISOs for you to use with RUFUS.

ShutUp10 is a piece of software that goes a step further, allowing you to toggle off many bad things, uninstall Microsoft's AI, and gives a description of what you are tweaking does. The premium version also automatically applies your settings at all times, reverting Microsoft's constant tweaking of your settings.

RUFUS

Massgravel

ShutUp10

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

Some people really do say that Linux is too much hassle, but then go through a 30 step process just to have a slightly less bloated piece of spyware.

I mean, it's good that this option exists. I'm sure it'll be helpful for people who need Windows 10 for some obscure music software, that doesn't work well or at all in a virtual machine or through wine. That might really be Windows 10's singular last use case.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

For some reason I always thought it was massgrave not massgravel.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

I think they rebranded. I kinda figured that Massgrave was some sort of holdover of 90's teen edginess or something.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Honestly, Microsoft may be full of arseholes, but moves like this at least one sane human works for the company.

It takes balls to admit you fucked up , and this is one employee showing some balls.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

That's one way of seeing it. Another is "if we kick them out of 10 and they are not willing to go to 11, they will switch to Linux or go Mac, we'd rather have them on 10 than not at all"

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Honestly, Microsoft doesn't give a shit about anyone but enterprise customers. They were probably told to get bent by one too many large companies running fleets of thousands of old embedded systems or call centres packed with old desktops or something.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Or more likely just continue to use Windows 10 when it's no longer supported.

Microsoft is squeezing everyone with EOL shenanigans. If it becomes commonplace to continue using software when it's no longer supported, this strategy no longer works.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

Hackers will enjoy the land of exploits, though, whereas Linux seems to allow you to patch without needing to change versions. Sure, it may slow the experience, but meh.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

That carries more self-awareness than one can reasonably imply from vulture-capitalist shareholders.

[–] Loce@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago

Nah, I'm good. Switched to Linux, and there's no need for me to go back

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 14 points 12 hours ago

Gotta use a MS account on your computer though, so this is not a viable option for a lot of people

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

Weird, who doesn't want to buy a new computer because reasons, in this economy

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

I know many people are pushing Linux but imagine having to train basic users on another OS after decades on Windows? It's fine for your home lab, but blows ass for a windows shop

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

But every version of windows requires training because they keep changing crap for no reason.

As in why the split between settings and control panel. Why the nonstop start menu changes? And so forth

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Having separate interfaces for user settings and system settings makes sense for companies that prevent users from changing system settings.

The Start Menu shit... probably just a strategy to get people to use bing.

[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 2 points 5 hours ago

its not about making sense, there are plenty of system settings in the settings app. Moving to the setting app was about getting the minimum shippable set of settings into it, anything that is left in the control panel is there because it was high effort for them to untangle (or in some cases the expertise to untangle it is no long at Microsoft). They keep saying eventually the Control Panel will be retired, but its a long and expensive process

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

They both contain both types of settings, though.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Windows 10 to 11 is a much simpler jump than 10 to Ubuntu.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Honestly, I don't think so. I saw people do both, I helped people do both. Especially if you go with KDE, for a developed Windows user learning how to do random OS maintenance on Linux is often easier than to understand what the fucked up in 11. For not a poweruser it's even less complicated, you're asking your IT guy anyway, as long as all your tasks are being done it doesn't matter.
It wasn't the same when people were going from 7 to 10.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

Someone just needs to built a “Explorer shell” that’ll make it seamless. Of course, Microsoft would go scorched Earth if that happened.

[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 hours ago

Uh if your employees can't learn a slightly different interface that can be made to be almost identical to windows you should fire them. They suck and said employees are fucked on the job market.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

IDK, some asshole recommended one of my elderly family members a chromebook, he can't adapt to it, and lost the admin password. Windows 10 shoves shovelware and random updates on his computer confusing him anyway, do you really think LMDE is going to be that much harder to understand than having to explain to him where the fuck avast antivirus came from?

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

ChromeOS 🤮

I couldn't figure it out either. It manages to break so many conventions, and not in a good way. "Installing" an app might mean something close to a traditional install (but only it knows where things are installed to). Or it could mean creating a web shortcut... Also, where the fuck are my files? Where is anything?? Is it even on my machine?! Words are supposed to have meaning! What the fuck, google??

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago

if it's a problem that linux is unfamiliar, then don't worry because windows 11 is a bigger change from 10 than modern kde linux

[–] captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

I’d say it is worse trying to find replacement for software not available on Linux and trying to adjust/learn the new workflow when you do.

On the other hand, a lot of software I wanted was primarily Linux, so that was nice when I switched.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's so much easier than you think, it's not even funny

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You must be young, spry, and tech savvy.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm relatively old, and spent some time teaching people how to use computers, both as a job and voluntarily. I don't do that anymore as much, but there are a lot of people who continue using me as tech support because I like helping people.
My mom is nearly 80, pre-school teacher by education. She converted from Windows 10 to Linux with me giving her instructions on the phone, and even since the amount of problems she need my help with fell by at least an order of magnitude. Meanwhile her librarian friend converted to 11 and she needs help constantly, even though she was able to use 10.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

~~I really wished I saved the thread but there was a great post on Reddit back in the day of a sysadmin that successfully move his entire company to OpenSUSE~~

I fond it lol: https://web.archive.org/web/20220128145708/https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/sesmwr/finished_a_full_corporate_migration_from_windows/

(comments): https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/sesmwr/finished_a_full_corporate_migration_from_windows/

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 21 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

By 2027 I have transitioned to fedora or another variant of Linux. I am on Linux mint now.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

if you're on LMDE you're set forever.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 29 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

I think it's more that users can't afford new hardware, even though win11 seems like a step backwards.

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[–] neuromorph@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

i still havent registered by Win 10 yet. i outlasted the OS!

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