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[–] nova@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I like electric cars, they're not for me I personally hate modern cars looks, computerisation, screens, and lack of any discernible personality, but the more people who own EVs, the longer I will be able to keep running my ICE car.

I do realise I'm a luddite, but I see vehicles as more than just a tool for travelling from one point to another- which EVs are great for- and more of a symphony of engineering to create something that has a distinct personality, every engine drives slightly differently and I think that is much more engaging than what is possible with EVs. (I do think the fake gear changes in cars like the Ioniq 5n are a bit silly as they're not necessary)

~~I don't know actual numbers but my physics teacher said that he'd worked out that his car which had almost 400,000 miles on it had just about created the same amount of CO2 emissions in its use as it had in its creation but regardless of whether he was correct~~ I think there's something to be said for not constantly replacing cars and keeping existing ones running as long as possible, there's a lot of materials that go into producing a car that are at best environmentally expensive to recycle.

[–] grepe@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

this number is so far off that it makes me doubt your whole story...

quick estimate: if we assume your teacher had a rather new car with good fuel economy (6l/100km) and was using only the least polluting fuel (e85 with 15% ethanol that produces some 1.6kg of co2 per liter) we would have to assume it was a really heavy car made entirely out of the stainless steel (1500kg of the most poluting steel that produces over 6kg of co2 per kg of steel, other materials have comparatively small contribution) to come anywhere close... about 10 tons of co2 from car production and from burning the fuel.

from these crazy assumptions you can easily see that most normal vehicles under normal circumstances will produce way more (like order of magnitude more) of co2 by driving than is produced by making them. for example a smaller car made from 600kg of normal steel (1.8kg of co2 per kg of steel) and fuel efficiency of 8l/100km (still very good) will produce more co2 than was produced in its own production after roughly 5000 miles of driving and is just adding after that...

[–] nova@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago

Oh that's really cool I didn't know that. I probably got that wrong I haven't been in secondary school for a decade so I apologize.

For me, it's more about the experience of driving a combustion engine and I think ICE cars should quite rightly become a more niche hobby, but I'm glad they still exist and I still have the opportunity to drive one before they go extinct

[–] tackleberry@thelemmy.club 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

We had electric cars before ICE cars. The first car was electric.

[–] adhdsergio@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Yep thank Thomas Midgley Jr.and corporate america for that

[–] gergolippai@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

meanwhile here i am, in my classic car manufactured in 1985 and with a grin on my face every time i drive it.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

What I'd like is a EV that has no additional shite attached other than what I want.

Just give me a chassis with a standardised battery pack, that has AC. Then let ME choose what after-market 3rd party options to put in such as:

Heated seats, Radio/CD/BT/carplay or android auto using standard car DIN box sizes, reversing sensors, cruise control, cab lighting, etc.

[–] MoffKalast@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I think Slate Auto is what you're looking for, but it's just concepts at the moment. No idea if they'll actually deliver.

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[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

So basically you want a retro electric car

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Sort-of. What I'm imagining is a small selection of vehicle sizes from small hatchback to estate/people carrier to van/kei-sized pickup that have a common battery pack size, motor, and inverter.

You'd choose the type of vehicle that has just the basics built-in like safety and AC.

The rest is customisable and allows for 3rd party manufacturers to make ancillary products for it. Do this by using existing standards for 3rd party automotive parts and then create new standards with open sourced designs for things that aren't: i.e. the battery pack size and interface, and inverter size and interface.

Eventually what I'd like to see is a market where people can keep these vehicles running by upgrading, repairing, recycling.

If I had a billion dollars laying around I'd sink it into trying to create an automotive co-operative to get at least 3 different sized vehicles with a common battery, motor, and inverter made, through certification, and then released. Then let the market do it's thing when presented with a new opportunity: adopt and grow.

And I know that I'm certainly missing a lot of issues with this idea but that's just what it is, an idea and it'll probably stay that way unless someone else has the resources to make it.

Yeah, that would be nice. God I wish

[–] SUDO@reddthat.com 4 points 18 hours ago

My largest concern is not being able to prepay for electric usage. It hurts people who don't have credit cards. Plus it seems like there are like 30 different chargers you need accounts for.

[–] Clutter@sh.itjust.works 6 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

We have an ID.3 and a 2012 Audi A5 Cabrio. I love my Cabrio. I would drive it all day if I could. It's just so much fun.

The ID.3 is a tool. An appliance. There's... No joy. Because of the empty-ness, because of the flat screens, because I'm being monitored by Volkswagen and I cannot turn that off.

If they could marry the fun and privacy of the Cabrio with the sheer "better-ness" of the ID.3.. then I would be set :-)

[–] foenix@lemmy.radio 5 points 19 hours ago

I rented a Ford Mach E and couldn't believe I was driving a Ford I actually liked. The tablet features are a pain and I wish they hadn't copied Tesla on that aspect... But everything else about that car was just a pleasure to drive. I was concerned about a rural road trip but between the efficiency of not driving a giant suv and the new DC charging station on the route it was no issue.

I was passing ICE Mustangs and Teslas so easily. Some lifted jackass was tailgating me when I was stuck behind a camper and I was in the next town over once I got in a passing lane.

I really think a solid effort to make cars fun again is 💯 what the US car culture needs rn.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

This right here. Too many EVs tried to copy tesla and you end up with the beige box era. No one wants that shit. That's not gonna get you widespread uptake. No one wants to drive a milquetoast blehmobile outside of duty

Where's our iMac revolution

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Cars are like horses: they shit all over the place and never work when you need them

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Donald Trump.

World's most contemptible belligerent asshole, and also, unintentionally, world's most effective EV salesman.

Does anyone think... gas prices... are going to meaningfully go ... down, in the future?

If so, well I know a guy who can offer you a timeshare on a bridge he sublets from a travelling used car salesman.

... the best bridge.

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[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

I would love to have one but let me know when they make a 4x4 truck that can haul my travel trailer more than 90 miles before needing a charge. I do a lot of hauling in the mountains where there is not much a a charging network. I had high hopes for the Ford Lightning but that fell pretty flat.

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

after 70s, 80s, ... ev was the best car I'd ever driven. try one for a week. i was more pissed car makers have been repackaging oil-burners since 60s. basically same accessories without a clutch.

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