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[–] Doom@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Your question is too broad. Which vehicle against which vehicle? The thing is today's average driver drives an SUV or truck which is a literal tank in comparison, whereas in the 70s most people drove cars. The bumpers wouldn't even line up (btw this is a modern issue between "cars" and "SUVs/Trucks") leading to the bigger vehicle overtopping the smaller vehicle. Modern vehicles are also on average heavier and have better safety features. The only thing I will say is an advantage of an older vehicle is in lower speed crashes it has a better chance of being repaired then a modern vehicle that crumples, but at 70mph even solid steel will get wrecked (as will the passengers).

Also bold of you to assume a lot of these vehicles from the 70s can easily reach 70mph without shaking apart.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The car would win but the occupants would suffer more. Your new car is designed to crumple around you to help save you.

[–] Wrdlbrmpfd@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s not certain that the car will win: https://youtu.be/C_r5UJrxcck

Although I wonder about that since I also saw the results of classic crash tests (in a museum and web site) with 60s Mercedes and Peugeot where the cars were more stiff than nowadays.

Maybe that Cadillac is a special case or these cars have their weak points where they break apart in non classical test settings.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

When I was a kid our car had only lap belts, and even those were optional. In the early ‘70s they had the attitude of building street tanks and that mass = safety. Doesn’t matter that the humans inside got tossed around like a hackey sack or to get an aortic dissection when hitting the steering wheel. It wasn’t until the last year of the ‘60’s that a collapsible steering column started being more common. By the late ‘70s they were starting to engineer for actual safety of the occupant. It wasn’t great at all by today’s standards, things like airbags didn’t really show up until the ‘80s, much less all the side curtain ones that are more common today.

Anyway, a modern vehicle is way better safety-wise, the debate would have to be about the speed of collision and the mass of the old car. Even though modern cars are safer, g-forces can be severe and no telling how the old car would crumple.

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

If you weren't fucking murdered from the whiplash of not having any crumple zones absorbing the impact. Then you would surely die of your insurance going absolutely through the roof for driving a fucking car from the '70s and getting into an accident

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Heh no.

Cars in the 1970s were made from coffee tins and cardboard.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The 70s car might beat the modern car. For the people inside the vehicles, the story is quite different.

Which do you want as a crumple zone: the car or you?

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the US medical costs would bankrupt you if you don't have insurance.

Even having insurance is no guarantee.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 2 points 21 hours ago

Yeah but you can survive being half crumpled and your half crumpled car will probably still get you to your 9 to 5... Pretty good outcome!

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone is concentrating on the crumple zones and safety at the crash. Remember that modern cars have features that make it easier to avoid the crash in the first place. Antilock brakes. Traction control. Lane assist/warning. Better headlamps, adaptive headlamps. Better suspension and handling. All things to avoid crashes.

All good reasons to avoid the 70's car.

[–] Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If I got in a collision with a car from the 70s with a car today

Everyone is concentrating on that because that's what the actual question is about. OP didn't ask to avoid the collision.

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago

"If so why don't people buy more 70's cars?". IMHO, this is actually the whole point of the OP's question.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The thing you got to understand is that the energy of the crash has to go somewhere. The same energy will apply to both cars, the modern car will absorb a lot of it by deforming, the old car won't absorb any in that way because it's a hard piece of metal. And you have to wonder, what is more important to you, the car chassis or the people inside? You might as well ask "why do we put packing peanuts if nails are a lot tougher" or "why do we ship eggs in weird cardboard boxes if a metal square would be more resilient"

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[–] s08nlql9@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

48 minutes? I totally have time for that while scrolling.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 173 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The car from the 70's survives accidents better because more of it is rigid, but this makes it more dangerous as more of the force of the accident is transferred to the driver.

Modern crumple zones are placed intentionally so that while the car will crumple, the driver will not.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If I have to pick only one, I'm going to go with modern crumple zones

But man, I do wish we had some kind of magical smart metal that could be as rigid as an old car for low speed collisions, but still crumple for more serious impacts.

Because when you drive an old shitbox like I do, pretty much any damage is enough to total it, and having to get a new car really sucks when the accident was minor enough that no one was going to get hurt anyway.

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[–] 1D10@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Here is a fictional scenario, you hit a tree at 30 miles and hour your 2026 Volvo is totaled.

Your dad hits a tree at 30 miles an hour in his 1970 chevy, you replace the windshield and hose it out and you can drive that chevy.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, but the people in the Volvo get to walk away.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I think that's implied by "hose it out": Your dad's gone, all you can do is wash out the blood.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 3 points 15 hours ago

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Oooooh, now I get it.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 15 points 1 day ago

Walking away is a lot harder than being hosed away

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago

Dad would be proud to see his beloved Chevy live on.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"fictional". Op is ded

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 20 points 2 days ago

If you're in an old car with no crumple zones, my intuition says it's better to hit a modern car because then you also benefit from the other car's crumple zones. Colliding with another rigid car would basically be like hitting a brick wall. I think the effect on the driver ends up the same in both cases.

If it's two old cars with rigid bodies colliding, it's exactly like hitting a brick wall. Even if the car itself is unharmed, the driver isn't. It's how quickly you stop that makes the impact dangerous, and in a car like that you stop almost instantly.

On the other hand, when two modern cars collide, there's 2x the crumple zones, so the impact is the lowest there.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, the 70's car would "win out". Its driver, on the other hand would fare much worse than you.

Ideally, people wouldn't treat possibly fatal transit collisions as a sports game. And also ideally, most people would see the uselessness of looking at which car is less damaged. Realistically, I know neither of those are universal, but I do hope they are common.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yup. Any impacted component that survives means that the force was transferred to the driver instead.

Modern cars look worse after a collision for a reason: If it collapses/crumples, it means that it absorbed some of the forces applied to it rather than transferring it on.

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[–] DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Your car would receive a lot more damage, but the driver in the older car would be much more hurt than you.

Also, modern vehicles are far more reliable and efficient

[–] Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip 32 points 2 days ago

The car would win. The driver would lose.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 2 days ago

If two 70s cars collided, all the energy is transferred to your body since the solid construction of the car wouldn't dissipate much of it.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)
[–] sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love how much this one video has done to explain new car safety.

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[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 20 points 2 days ago

Goddamn it's not even close. '59 car dummy got skewered. '09 car dummy landed on a soft fluffy mattress in comparison.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 days ago

The car might sustain less damage, however, the occupant will receive more damage. People buy newer, safer cars, presumably because they like being alive and would prefer to keep doing that.

Modern cars are designed to break before their drivers do, because you can't replace you, but you can buy a new car.

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I direct you to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_r5UJrxcck

Tldw: cars today are designed to keep the driver safer in a crash, and by having crumple zones and such, the driver is protected more from the forces that are at play.

Edit: aw drat people beat me to the explanation as well as the video! Well shucks at least I had fun commenting lol

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know it's a much older car for the example but same idea:

My late grandfather liked to restore Model T and Model A cars. One day he got T-Boned in an intersection by my house at 70 km/hr driving a Model A and Grandma was with him.

The 2005 era van that hit him was a wreck with the front smashed in. The driver was uninjured.

The Model A had a slightly bent fender front-right side and a minor paint scuff. My Grandparents went into the back of an Ambulance.

They survived but had raccoon eyes and were more bruises than healthy flesh for awhile.

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How did he get T-boned by your house???

Sorry, I'm a dad, I can't stop it.

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[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

It's not the speed that kills you. It's the rapid deceleration.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I saw a post where a Cybertruck got T-boned by like a Nissan or something. The Tesla didn't look damaged badly at all and the other car was modern art. Tesla people were bragging about it until someone pointed out that the Nissan driver walked away while the driver of the Tesla broke both legs.

I know this is anecdote, but the point is that vehicle damage doesn't prove people injuries.

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[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 26 points 2 days ago

Nope. Its much safer to crash in a today car. 70's would break as well and break you more. Both would be totaled anyway in such a case.

Today's cars are designed to crumple and protect you, older cars transmit more damage to your body.

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

It wouldn't win out. They typically didn't have any crumple zones to dissipate the forces of the impact so the full forces in the accident got transferred to the passenger cell and therefore the passengers. Also no seatbelt pre-tensioners to stop you flying forward before the seatbelt locks would engage and no airbags to protect you. Steering columns were also not collapsible so the driver's chest being impacted by the steering wheel was a common thing in a head on.

[–] mech@feddit.org 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

In the 70s car, the steering column would impale your chest.
A LOT of people died in car accidents, with the cause of their deaths investigated, to make cars safer.

Also, today's cars are primarily metal, too (but cleverly designed to crumple and absorb the shock from the impact instead of transferring it to the squishy human inside).

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A big difference is 70s car might retain its outer shape. Modern car not only intentionally crumples, but the passenger compartment is much stronger to keep all those sharp metal bits away from the soft squishy people

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Back in the day, everyone knew someone who'd been killed in a car accident. Everyone.

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[–] faux2pas@discuss.online 11 points 2 days ago

In the 70s the cars won but not the people. Modern vehicles let the people survive instead of themselves.

[–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

My 2006 Honda Accord coupe weighs almost a thousand pounds more than a 1965 Ford Mustang.

In fact, a 1985 Ford LTD Crown Victoria only weighs about 400 pounds more than my Honda.

People WILDLY underestimate how heavy modern cars are, and how much better they are for safety of the occupants.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

A Datsun B210 weighed 750 kg. The dashboard was made from carboard and the thin metal skin was only one layer thick, the inside trim was made from cardboard.

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[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Why arent people buying more cars from the 70s?

Parts and servicing is a big problem now. A lot of shops wont touch anything they cant plug a diagnostic computer into.

Some parts are made of unobtanium and require complex workarounds or paying through the nose for parts.

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