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This post is "FYI only" for blahaj lemmy members. It is not a debate, and is not intended for non blahaj lemmy users to weigh in and offer opinions.

I recently received reports of a feddit.uk user espousing transphobia. Specifically, this was a feddit.uk user refusing to use the word cis, repeating the "adult human female" dog whistle, and claiming that trans women are not women. I approached a member of the feddit.uk admin team and raised my concerns and sought clarification of their stance on posts like this, where the transphobia is mostly dogwhistles, and "civil disagreement" on the validity of trans folk.

I was told by the feddit.uk admin that their preferred response is this kind of transphobia is to "sort it out through discussion and voting". However, the comments in question are currently more upvoted than downvoted, and little "sorting out" has occurred. The posts remain in place.

At this point, the admin stopped responding to my messages despite being active elsewhere on lemmy. When it became clear they were ignoring my messages and had no intention of removing the posts in question, I made the decision to defederate the instance.

I know some folk agree with the feddit.uk admins approach of pushback through discussion and voting, but this instance is not designed to be that kind of space. Blahaj lemmy is meant to be a place where we can avoid the rampant transphobia universally visible on nearly every other social media platform, and where we can exist without needing to debate our right to do so.

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[–] SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I'm not a blåhaj user, but I really hope the feddit.uk mindset on this doesn't spread to other instances.

Why do divisive people have to care so much about letting people do what they want if it doesn't affect them? What someone wants to do with their body does NOT affect you, but your open derogatory statements about them DOES affect them!

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

This has always been my stance. If it doesn't affect me, then I am always on the side of people's rights. Automatically. Even if it does affect me, I'm still more likely to be in favor of people's rights. Especially if the people in question are losing rights. I simply don't understand people who think loss of rights stops at people they don't like. It just doesn't work that way. A loss of ANY right against ANYONE is a personal loss of rights.

For instance, I'm not LGBTQ+. But I will fight like hell for their rights. Not just because it's the right thing to do, but because I know what happens when the LGBTQ+ people are gone. These are innocent people who just want to live their life and are under constant threat from physical and legal harm. The fact that Christians get so up in arms about even seeing two men kiss, or holding hands pisses me off on a level I can't describe. Especially when you consider the huge proportion of child molestation in the church. And it is very common that that child molestation was against a child of the same sex as the adult.

I'm not saying there's a causation there, but there's definitely correlation. And that correlation isn't homosexuality of the abuser. The correlation is power. Teaching, clergy, Hollywood, right wing, left wing, it happens on both sides, on all levels, and of moderates as well. But the one thing that always unifies EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. is power. 100%, every single time.

However, Republicans tend to have power/Dom fantasies at a FAR higher rate than Democrats. And again, I'm not saying that's a causation, but it is a correlation.

Power fantasies are insanely dangerous, even if the person is a "lowly" cook. It's potentially civilization ending if the person has the power of the US military. And I've yet to ever hear a Democrat fantasize about being president. Honestly even thinking about it... Fuck that. I can't handle that kind of responsibility. But I guess if trump "can" do it, then I could as well.

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[–] VasovagalSyncope@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Based for defederating from feddit

Cringe for another decision that effects all blahaj users without their consent without posting any proof.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Scrolling through this thread, I don't see any blahajis with less than full approval. If there are, they are more than welcome to show their disapproval by moving to a different instance.

I appreciate this sort of moderation. Imagine if somehow it was voted down: then people who don't want to be federated with feddit.uk would have no options. "Posting proof" may have some benefit, but few of us want to tread through more transphobia, so that sounds like a net negative to me.

This is precisely how things should work. Way to go, Ada!

[–] VasovagalSyncope@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Scrolling through this thread, I don't see any blahajis with less than full approval.

As with all rule changes on blahaj, the consensus comes from the ones who weren't banned...

[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What are the odds these "disagreements" are actually just transphobia wearing a mask? Plenty of us disagree with Ada. We're still here.

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[–] honeynut@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This is a good move. I've reported a lot of tankie-like remarks on feddit that never get their comments removed and it's concerning. Better to cut off any suspected tankie incubator than suffer the consequences

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd rather my comm ban people that complain about 'tankies'. It's a useless term which can mean 100 things to different people, only serving really to divide the left.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They just mean anyone who doesn’t blindly trust western propaganda.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No, they mean people who blindly slurp up Chinese propaganda while denying the issues china has.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There’s a very good chance some of the issues you’re talking about are made up western propaganda. We’ve been fed so much bullshit to promote American nationalism and xenophobia.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lil bro* thinks that im talking about specific people not instances 🙏🥀🗿 arl now i know to block you

*bro is meant more gender neutral in this context

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Is this bot not actually capable of using the block function, or did you just forget? Let me take care of that block for you.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm talking about denying that China is an authoritarian state.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can’t think of many countries where the workers have more control.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then you're not thinking very hard.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tell me some then. Educate me. Which countries have worker council control of government mandated like China?

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any European country the workers have more rights and safer working places than in china. What is the point of a worker's council if the workers don't actually have the power to make life better for themselves?

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Name a country. Let’s compare specifics. Stop dancing around it, and commit.

Pick a country, and let’s compare relative wages, rights, and political power of workers.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you fucking with me? Or do you just not understand reality? Sure, let's go with with france. France has a legal minimum of 25 pto days.

China, it's 5. Your move.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you believe worker councils are inferior to a working class that’s willing to riot and set fire to the city at the drop of a hat? Yeah, I actually 100% agree with you there.

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[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calm discussion doesn't work, ridicule them and deplatform them.

They've only grown stronger because the neolibs want calm discussion between The people who want to exist and the bigots who hate them for existing.

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[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good riddance, fuck TERF island. If communities don't like this change they can move to an instance that isn't filled with and supported by transphobes.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

One user upset you and the admins didn't capitulate exactly how you wanted, so you're defederating...... You're making way more drama out of it than anyone else. How do you handle any sort of difficult situation in your life?

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

you're making drama

projection, lol

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Thanks ADA and I appreciate all the work that you've done. This is why I love Blahaj Lemmy, I dont want to deal with that nonsense.

Thank you Ada. I really appreciate having a safe space like this.

Unfortunate that you had to do that, but it sounds to me like you make the right call. Keep being great 💖🤍🩵

If instances aren't willing to moderate themselves when it comes to transphobia they should get the boot. I hope more instances defederate feddit.uk over this. Might make them change course and rethink if they should maybe moderate better.

Thank you Ada!

[–] 2hundredpancakes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thanks for doing what you do.

It's ridiculous we are still having to deal with this in 2025. Just yesterday I had to see someone using the tslur as a "joke" under a .world post. Mods removed it. It's not hard to be decent, although some people decide to make it look like an impossible task. As far as I'm concerned, hate speech is not free speech...

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[–] jan_Melisa055@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course it had to be feddit.uk

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't call it TERF Island for nothing.

ofc it’s us, I wanna move to the netherlands 🇳🇱🇪🇺🏳️‍⚧️

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What's "adult human female" referring to? Asking so I can keep an eye out for this in the future

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Adult human female is a dog whistle used by TERFs (and transphobes more broadly) to make it clear that they are specifically excluding trans women from the definition of womanhood; that is, it’s shorthand for saying that ‘adult human females’ are the only category of person that can be called a woman.

[–] Yazer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And sorry, what is a terf? By context i assumed it's a transphobe, but you also include transports.

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[–] fartsparkles@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As a Brit myself, it saddens me how much hate is leeching from my country - especially towards minorities.

Thank you to the mods for making this community open so that people like me can lurk and learn to be better, while simultaneously protecting the people who depend on and need this safe space. Defederating was the right choice.

I won’t pretend I’m well versed in trans issues and struggles - I’m a cishet guy with no real skin in the game but I want to be an ally.

If anyone has good resources for someone like me to read so I can be better armed to refute and educate others who are being hateful, please let me know. The surge in hate after the recent Supreme Court ruling here in the UK has made it painfully clear being passive on the sidelines isn’t acceptable.

Huge apologies in advance if I’ve phrased anything hurtfully. I just want to learn.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago

As a Brit myself, it saddens me how much hate is leeching from my country - especially towards minorities.

As an American, I understand.

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[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

thank u adaaaaa! luv u!

[–] Lenny@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago

Non-blahaj user weighing in

Well done 👏👏👏

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

Thanks Ada!

I hope the feddit.uk admins reconsider their approach to moderating transphobia, but in the mean time I appreciate your protective stance. 💗

[–] Kimiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are tough calls to make. On the one hand I applaud the step taken to protect the community hosted by this instance, on the other I also find that simply cuting ties and conversation only furthers the divide.

Sure we should not have to defend the validity of our existence, and also realise that most hate leaves little place for heathy discussions. But in avoiding their echo chambers I find we quiet ours too, we renounce our visibility for our comfort and theirs.

I guess I wish there were other ways to warn users about potentially triggering instances rather than outright defederating, but I do understand your main motives.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

You are absolutely welcome to maintain an account on another instance and here if you want to have the option of having those discussions. And I don't mean that in a "Well, there's the door" way. What I'm trying to say is that if you don't want to have the types of conversations you're talking about, it's currently very hard to find spaces that make that possible. That's why lbz exists in the form it does. However, I completely understand that some people do want that opportunity. And if that's you, you're welcome to maintain multiple accounts. You'll always have a space here, but you can also use instances that give you access to less protective spaces.

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