You walk into a shop with a megaphone and start taunting people through it, you deserve what you get, regardless of why you were doing it.
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Yep. Don't tell people how to live their lives.
But that lifestyle contributes 15-20% of the entire planets GHG emissions. That lifestyle is selfishly ruining my planet.
unless you're telling them to live their life without megaphones
"live and let liv- wait a minute!"
Yeah, unless their lives include murdering others.
They lose their right to peace, when what they cause is anything but.
So lamb is made out of people?
Yes. Lambs are in fact thinking, feeling individuals. They feel pain and don't want to die, just like us.
Respectfully, I disagree. She deserved to be asked to leave. When she refused, she deserved to be arrested for trespassing and probably harassment, too. That guy deserves some charges as well.
Retail workers aren't paid enough to deal with some self important asshole who thinks that screaming at people through a megaphone is their right.
Protest the horrible meat industry by making their lives hell, don't go after the consumer go after the source ffs, but that would mean actually putting in effort to your cause, which these megaphone blasting people don't want to do.
These people are why us non vegans have an issue with vegans, most of you are chill people enjoying your life, but these pricks make you lot look insane and then you defend them because you agree with their message, but while you defend their message, you also defend their actions!
Start holding these people accountable for making the rest of you look bad, I know most of you vegans are good people, you don't deserve to be made to look like idiots.
It's always great when people who aren't trying to change things explain to us (vegans, environmentalists, feminists etc.) that we do not protest the right way โข and that we don't have the correct targets/methods.
Usually this is a byproduct of people not wanting to be bothered changing anything and pointing the finger towards other actors:
While I agree that only going after end-of-chain customers is unlikely to create at-scale change in the ~~meat~~ rape, torture and murder industry, it still has some effects.
Also these actions are a good way to build a community sentiment for the people included and incrementally go after other types of action.
For example, in the Extinction Rebellion movement, lots of activists started with legal protests, then illegal protests and road blocking and eventually a few of them built up to direct action against carbon-emitting industrial sites.
You also have to understand that the risk level is not the same when you go after customers and when you go after the industries.
Retail workers aren't paid enough to deal with some self important asshole who thinks that screaming at people through a megaphone is their right.
They aren't paid enough, period. I only hope that the activists only went after the customers and not the workers (which seems to be the case here, otherwise the article would probably have mentionned it).
Protest the horrible meat industry by making their lives hell, don't go after the consumer go after the source ffs, but that would mean actually putting in effort to your cause, which these megaphone blasting people don't want to do.
See higher. Also, as a general principle, fuck your opinion of what it means to put effort in a cause. Being in a place where most people dislike/hate your cause in a world where other activists have been assaulted and injured by assholes is already a fucking effort.
These people are why us non vegans have an issue with vegans, most of you are chill people enjoying your life, but these pricks make you lot look insane and then you defend them because you agree with their message, but while you defend their message, you also defend their actions!
Nah, be honest at some point.
We vegans are not chill people enjoying out lives, we are decent people trying to function in a dystopian world where the industrial mass murder of hundreds of billions of sentient beings every year is considered normal in the name of culture and/or pleasure.
The root of non-vegan opposition is the same as the root of big-car-lovers and masculinists opposition: acknowledging the truth would be too hard because it would mean acknowledging how much suffering you have caused. And it's not entirely your fault, we've all been raised the same way, made to consider this was normal.
So any movement asking you to reconsider puts your brain in a very uncomfortable position, to which you react with rejection. And because no one wants to look like an asshole, you pick the group you deem most extreme and play the "I have no issue with vegans, but these vegans are a bit much and do a disservice to the cause" card - which is universally used to oppose societal progress whatever the topic.
Start holding these people accountable for making the rest of you look bad, I know most of you vegans are good people, you don't deserve to be made to look like idiots.
Once again, thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom about a movement you are not part of. We all were really waiting for your input to decide how to treat our allies.
Edits: spelling
Cheers for proving my point mate.
So I prove your point by expressing my disagreement and providing arguments? Effective tactics, I can't argue with that.
If I made you feel better about yourself and more sure that you're right I missed my target but you're welcome anyway.
Have a nice one.
So I prove your point by expressing my disagreement and providing arguments?
No, by being ridiculous.
Thank you for this argumented and useful answer. Have a nice day.
Nah, by being a dick about it, plenty of ways to express your disagreement and provide arguments without attacking me. But hey, I still stand by my original post that started our interaction, most vegans a good chill people who don't deserve to be made to look bad.
I don't agree with her methods and I don't believe it's the correct way to get the point across.
Just keep in mind - one side is crying its heart out due to unbelievable cruelty while another side is simply annoyed that someone says something about requesting them to acknowledge the suffering they are causing simply because they want to eat what they want to eat whatever the cost may be because they believe they are entitled for it for some reason unknown to me.
The vast majority of them requires meat at much lower quantities in order to be healthy(saying lower so you won't attack me for saying not at all) but they still choose to consume for many other very selfish reasons.
grand, nobody needs to hear about your cause when they're trying to shop, they aren't all slaughterhouse proprietors (and most of them don't care about eating the same stuff humans have done for hundreds of thousands of years)
Carnists get so fucking mad when you point out that they're eating literal dead babies. Fucking snowflakes. You don't like being reminded you're eating the corpse of an adorable baby? Well, maybe you should stop doing it then, no one is forcing you to eat animals, you can literally just not do it
Have you considered it's your condescending tone and obnoxious tactics that annoy people? He certainly wasn't right to smash up the megaphone - but I'm willing to bet the "carnists" really do understand they're eating dead animals and literally don't care.
I get what vegans are trying to do, I really do, but man are they tone deaf.
Pissing people off is not the way to get your point across, neither is blaring nin their ears with a megaphone.
Having said that, being violent against vegans also does not solve anything. I get the sentiment, but you're onlyaking yourself look like a shit bag in front of the whole world.
Vegans: find better ways
Assholes all around.
No-one is gaining the moral high ground there.
The guy doing the smashing seems to have it.
Not really, he looks like a psychotic prick.
Using a megaphone indoors in a store should considered assault. My child and spouse both have sensitive hearing, if someone was within a couple meters of them and shouted into a megaphone it would instantly reduce my child to tears and cause pain and distress, and my spouse would probably drop anything they were holding from the shock and pain of it.
You sound like animals that are getting slaughtered. Except they are in even more pain and end up murdered.
Maybe if people stop the murderous selfishness towards animals, people don't have to pick up a megaphone to educate you.
So your solution is innocents being harmed is to harm more innocents. Nice.
Harming is a big word of course when you can just walk away from the megaphone. But I don't really know how playing the victim works so I don't know.
IF YOU GUYS ARENT NICE TO ME IM GOING TO CONTINUE THE MASS SLAUGHTER OF SENTIENT LIFE AND DESTRUCTION OF THE PLANET ๐ค
We're still right though