It's pretty easy for the alt-right if men are constantly attacked and branded as "the problem". How are you going to persuade somebody by starting with "you're the problem", "check your privilege", "#AllYourGroup", and so on? It's like walking up to a Christian and shouting "God doesn't exist!", "Your belief is killing us all!", "Religion is cancer, how can you believe in it?", etc.
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Counterpoint: people don't know how to sit with being uncomfortable anymore. The patriarchy still exists, and the only people that can dismantle it are men because they hold the institutional power to do so. These alt-right "influencers" have learned how to take advantage of the fact that these young men don't want to put the work in to make the women around them feel safe.
The reasons for being uncomfortable lead to the actions taken when uncomfortable. It's like going to the doctor and feeling "pressure" which can range from a slight jab of the finger to find out where it hurts to having your elbow being shoved back into your socket. In this case, being aware of issues, wanting to be part of the solution and feeling welcome is very different from being called the problem, regardless of background and intentions, and being treated as an enemy that has to be subdued. Two very different types of "discomfort".
The patriarchy still exists, and the only people that can dismantle it are men because they hold the institutional power to do so.
I disagree. Just like with climate change, politics, pollution and so much more, there is rarely (if ever) one single point in the system that has power to change it. The majority gives in to the system, then blames it without trying to change themselves first. Women make up ~50% of the population and will consistently vote candidates who do not represent their interests. The same goes for ecologists, left-wingers, anti-establishment types, anti-corporation voters, and so on. We are, at heart, short-sighted, tribal egoists unable to comprehend the power we hold in numbers. Instead tearing each other down while the rich few can control us in our disarray.
These alt-right "influencers" have learned how to take advantage of the fact that these young men don't want to put the work in to make the women around them feel safe.
This is exactly what I'm talking about in my first paragraph. A sweeping, condescending generalization about young men that paints them lazy, disinterested, and dumb. Do you really that's how you win over anybody? Do you think if I said "hey, princessnorah, you lack the mental capacity to comprehend my words, but that's OK, you're a woman, so I'll spell it out for you" that would be a good start to a discussion? Probably not. So why do you think it's the right approach to convince young men?
"A real man takes care of everyone" pretty good shit. It gets a little preachy after that though. Kinda weird they're making demands of men after divulging they're nonbinary but amab I guess.
Men need to be taught that the riches and success they were promised by people born before the 1970's was stolen from them from current billionaire class. But they'll have to learn it when they lose social security and healthcare. Tough break, I was rooting for them there for a while.
Nonbinary folks are in a unique position to comment on the definition of "being a man" or "being a woman".
I imagine that it is kinda like asking a person who is mixed race (white and black) about their view on racism in America. At some point in time, a mixed race person finds a way to reconcile the cognitive dissonance that occurs when discussing race, since they have family members they love on both sides of the spectrum.
You say that as if mixed race people aren't routinely ostracized by both sides of their mix.
Kinda weird they’re making demands of men after divulging they’re nonbinary
What's weird?
making demands of men
Still don't get it.
I think they're trying to imply that amab non-binary people are actually just men. Isn't it weird how afab non-binary people are allowed to just exist, while amab NBs seemingly have to constantly prove themselves? :(
I agree with this article, but raising a son I think there's also something to be said for raising a boy in an environment that tells him he's dangerous, a potential rapist, an abuser, and blames him for all the ills men have committed on women through history. I can see how that can make a boy become resentful and shoot to the opposite.
Men are also hyper aware of how they're seen and we have to cross the street to not be perceived as following someone or being a creep. We have to change subway cars when we're the only one there with women. Or we have to constantly reassure people we're not pro rape or anti women. It gets very tiring having to prove to strangers every day that you're not a wild animal who is gonna kill you. Being a big guy, it sucks being looked at as a threat 24/7.
I'm 6'3" covered in scars and tattoos. I'm reminded on a daily basis that I'm "terrifying" to most women just because of the way I look.
It's lonely.
Girls, maybe you all ought to stop treating all these men like appliances.