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[–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That would depend on each individual circumstance because I don't treat geopolitics like team sports. I'm not here to depose anybody, I'm here to expose lazy slopulist propaganda and disinformation from people like yourself, which I have done. Might I remind you this thread started because you called America the same as fucking ISIS, another claim you abandoned almost immediately because you have nothing but lies and ignorance.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're trolling to be this absolute daft but I'll bite.

Because your country and ISIS are terrorists. Two different cheeks from the same arse. Your corporate media brainwashed you to support neocolonialism because it's your side. Imperialist terrorists never ask their victims, do they, if the "civilising mission" actually benefit them? Did you ask the Vietnamese exposed to Agent Orange if they love America?

[–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm. Not. American. You're so clueless you don't even realise where you are right now. Look at the instance you illiterate chud.

You people have no clue what the words you use mean, you simply use them because your lizard brains recognises they are bad. You're the Pavlovian dogs of the politics community.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you ask what the Vietnamese felt when your country sprayed Agent Orange?

[–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Terrorism is when not asking how the Vietnamese felt before using agent orange? Genius.

Better questions if you aren't 50iq:

  • Why was agent orange used?
  • What was the expected effect of agent orange when it was used?
[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Using an example where the USA breached the Geneva convention against chemical warfare is not proving whatever your point is.

To answer your question, they justified it at the time as a herbicide to kill the jungle the Vietnamese were using for cover. This was only a cover story however. They clearly knew how dangerous a toxin it was, given the safety protocols they had around the chemical for it's troops. At best, if it were merely a herbicide, it's use would still constitute a war crime for destroying civilian and non-combatant food sources.

It's actually a bit of an International scandal even today that the USA has not formally apologised for its use. They have at least provided limited compensation for their victims in Vietnam with long-term effects of exposure to Agent Orange. Though I'm not certain those programs continue today under their present administration.

To be honest, the USA should apologise for being in Vietnam in the first place. It had no business being there, and nor did Australia.

[–] tankiesmasher@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There has never been a ruling by the UN, ICC, ICJ or whatever about the use of agent orange breaching the Geneva conventions or being a war crime. All legal analysis is post hoc. Today it might be, but it's irrelevant to this foreign agitators ridiculous claims.

You assert they knew based on nothing but a hope and a dream. Chemical warnings are designed to prevent misuse, and I would love to hear you claim the warnings on the box were "will cause generational harm". In fact it's the exact opposite because soldiers were incredibly ignorant of the toxicity of the chemical, a fact veteran advocacy groups have spoken of at length.

They also stopped using agent orange shortly after more information came out about those kinds of harmful effects in 1969, which goes against your claim.

If you think any of this is convincing of the claim "America and ISIS are the same" you've got your head in the sand.

This was only a cover story however.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago

Dude, this happened in living memory. Americans are completely open about it.

Operation Ranch Hand had two primary objectives: (1) defoliation of trees and plants to improve visibility for military operations, and (2) destruction of essential enemy food supplies. Source

Attacking civilian food sources is a war crime. Source

It's all a bit moot, since the USA gives zero shits about the UN, ICC and when they can hide it, the Geneva Convention. Hell, the ICC list of War Crimes is like a runsheet of what the Americans got up to in Vietnam. And we haven't even discussed Napalm.

Have they improved? Yeah, probably. But then you watch the Collateral Murder video, and question that.

I haven't equated the Americans with ISIS. But I can understand why an Iraqi would and would give their position serious consideration.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You must be a troll. Terrorist imperialists really don't care about their victims.