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I'm sick of all these fascist plants pretending to be progressive while trying to convince us it's not worth bothering to vote Dem in the upcoming elections because they're all the same. They aren't, and you know they aren't you fucking Nazi.
The progressive movement is having its best year ever in the Democratic primaries and can continue to do so. We need to change the party, yes. But that's secondary to removing power from Trump.
Biden, Obama, and Clinton weren't true leftists. But they sure as shit weren't the dumpster fire we have now and we HAVE to neuter these fuckers in November.
Yeah I'm almost 100% positive at this point that Hakeem Jeffries is one such GOP plant (among others, he just stands out the most to me). He goes against everything the Democratic party cares about.
I'm actually talking about the trolls making these posts.
Are you dumb? Have you not seen all the Dems going after progressive Dems who won their primaries and are saying to vote for the fuckin Republican instead?? Liberals are the worst kind of people who will actively vote against their wishes because scawyyy sowcialism.
Then you primary thise assholes too. It's not that complicated.
They get together with their friends from across the aisle and count votes to ensure everyone has a chance to stay in power together. Every single time, 5-6 random democrats vote with their best buddies from across the aisle.
And then people like you come online and carry their water.
Just maybe stop posting if you want to defend the “good guy” in their little good cop bad cop ruse.
Thanks.
So what we should do instead is stop participating and letting the GOP do whatever they want? Or should we instead vote Democrat in the general election, then move the Dems to the left in the primaries. You know - exactly what our largest city did just this year to great success.
Welp, thanks for that. Clearly you love your team so much that anyone who does not hold your opinions is a "nazi", there can be nothing but vote for your team after all.
You have no idea how absolutely insane you americans sound. This mess is on all of you, and honestly I would rather the us just collapse at this point. You have no ability or will to fix your party of choice let alone your nation. But please prove me wrong, do anything at this point. Vote blue sure at the very minimum, but please understand that you have an administration currently that does everything by decree and ignores your laws and traditions making your vote mean less and less as days pass.
Right. You don't live here and you're wildly ignorant of what's happening here politically, but we're still supposed to take your nonstop bullshit lectures about how Democrats are the real problem and what? Just pretend that you're not full of shit?
The problem is Republicans. Full fucking stop.
If you can't get on board with that, then you're not fucking helping anyone other than yourself.
I am not wildly ignorant, you have all made sure the world is not. And no I did not attack your team unduly, they suck less then the other guys.
The problem is the two party system and americans, no stop since like most things this is not really a thing to be putting in such absolutes. If I can't get on board with that, then what? Your going to threaten me? Invade me? Make me think "correctly"?
I am involved in my way, in my area, in my nation. You can scream all you like into the void you have all made, but I will not "full fucking stop" calling you americans out. Like the little meme we are all typing under.
Have the Dems fucked up a lot? Yes. But short of an actual Civil War, the only way to curb this madness is to vote Dem in November and flip the legislature. The GOP's fascism was hypercharged by targeting the Republican primaries. We can do the same the other direction on the left, and we've had recent success doing just that. And that terrifies the Nazis more than anything.
So they go to our online communities, pretend to be one of us, and try to convince people that the Dems who have failed to stop the GOP are the real problem. The fascists are very active here and elsewhere trying to convince leftists not to vote for the one party that can actually stop the GOP. They say that the Dems are no different than the GOP and try to get the left to split the vote in a manner that will ensure Trump and company win.
Right there you are actively doing what you are accusing others of.
It is not the only way, your american madness is not normal. You claim all online spaces as your own american democrat places, they are not. The world is not putting up with your wild team based bullshit anymore. Fix your shit, its not on the rest of the world to "fall in line" with your views or stop talking or thinking while you do it (or fail to).
The very fact that this statement does not terrify you people is wild, you are all so far up your own team based sauce that you can not see that by making "your team = good, their team = evil" is how you are in this mess. You are living in the honest by any measure end of your nation and are upset anyone thinks that the very system that delivered you to this point is not up to the task is peak american.
So fuck me for discussing American politics on a thread about.... American Politics?
Right now there are 2 sides. The fascists currently running the show, and everybody who doesn't support them. I'm specifically saying that eblveryone who doesn't like concentration camps, gestapo, and the blatant, naked corruption of this administration blput aside theor differences and vote for the party that has a chance to stop it without violence.
I'm specifically trying to fix our shit, so kindly get out the fucking way and jerk off to your own superiority elsewhere.
You mean shutting down any and all other options then the status quo?
I watched you all tell people that 2 years ago was not the time, that last year was not the time, that now is not the time. So when do you actually fix anything? Because I can see plain as day that it by design is never the time.
You telling people to "kindly get out the fucking way and jerk off to your own superiority elsewhere." for not agreeing with you is (and this should not shock you) more then a little bit fascist. I will keep doing my part where I am and will continue to comment on american politics on a thread about... american politics.
You were calling me out for discussing American Politics as an American. I personally think I'm entitled to an opinion on my own fucking country's politics, especially when I'm in a position to do something.
All you assholes seem to do is insist that we magic a fix thay cannot happen overnight.
And yeah, 2 years ago we told people to vote against Trump no matter who. But you motherfuckers spent the whole time saying Kamala's nomination wasn't fair, or that the Dems were no worse than the GOP. And it worked and millions stayed home instead of voting for Harris.
That lead dorectly to every fucking thing that's happened under Trump's watch, from wars of choice to gestapo takeovers of American cities, to the murder of hundreds of civilians in fishing boats, to worldwide economic catatrophe, to the deaths of millions from USAID cuts, to the collapse of food safety regulations, and so, so much more.
People like you have blood on your hands.
Nope, I was (and am) calling you out for pushing the status quo in a broken system. Unlike you people I don't expect you to stop talking or thinking.
Once again, not from me. I am stating that you all need to start something or you will be in the same place you are now forever.
Second highest voter turn out in your nations history, but hey since I also never told people to stay home and not vote, you are not only wrong but wrong in multiple ways. The people saying the nomination was not fair where correct, but so what? You had the turn out and more of you americans voted for the yellow king. The world watched him make speeches right from a Mussolini style rally yet you all still voted for that, and instead of any tiny amount of introspection as to why that happened you say shit like that.
Yes it did, and once again, why do you think it is that people given two choices (the status quo or to burn it all down in a wild racist final ride) they picked the yellow man claiming he would do all of that? You are all way to used to just blaming the other team and hand waving any sort of responsibility.
Ok that is funny.
One, I am sure I do. Why you think you can sit on any sort of high horse as an american is peak comedy.
Two, and I am not sure why I have to keep reiterating this, I never once have told people not to vote. I feel its the least, the very least someone can do. You have painted me as some sort of enemy in your head that you have made for anyone who does not fit into your ideals, something you should understand is very very dangerous.
Three, and this one is the big one. You have the blood on your hands, we are not all american, you are. You have spent your entire life living in a society that tried to dictate what others should and could do, played world police, pushed everyone around, and called out evil when you thought you all saw it. Now it is your turn in the hot seat, and all I see is excuses and digging deeper.
I've spent 30 years fighting to make the world a better place. I've volunteered endlessly. I've worked for non-profits and government agencies. I've supported progressive polticial candidates monetarily and through volunteer work. I've been academically published for my work in environmental science. I've had an AK pointed at my head while delivering medical supplies in South America.
I pull my weight trying to make things better. And I also understand that we have an entrenched system that, while very broken, also has mechanisms built in to change it.
The biggest hurdle we have right now is a 2-party system that right now is a choice between center-right and fascist authoritarianism. As a leftist, I don't love either choice, but I also understand that if we continue to elect the fascists that we won't have an opportunity to move the country leftward. So I hold my nose, vorlte Democrat in the general election, and support leftist candidates in the primaries.
And that's the whole secret. Vote left in the primaries and vote Democrat in the General. And our failure tondo that is why we're in such a shithole situation. In 2000, if just 1% of the Green Party Voters in Florida had voted for Democrat instead of Nader, George W Bush would never have been President. Think about all the harm caused by just a few people deciding Al Fucking Gore wasn't enough of an environmentalist.
And there lies the trap, you all don't really have a choice do you?
You are right, your biggest hurdle is the two party system. Your next issue stems from that, you blame people who don't vote for a party you also don't really agree with. This is not rational but here you are, stuck and unwilling to do anything else. It is telling you reference an election so long ago (2000 if my memory is right is 26 years ago) that it is hardly even in the same ecosystem of shit you are in today.
You have all went so far past the point that doing damage control by voting dem means much (a reason they keep losing is that its been the request for so long people resent it). You are all so far lost that your own people are voting to distroy everything just to feel like they have a choice, but they dont, not at least in a meaningful way. Because the underlying issue is still there, voting dem may delay the process but not stop it as the dems don't have any incentive to fix things, its their whole platform gone if they do.
So yes, please vote left in the primaries, vote dem when you have no other choice. But please push for new parties, support them, lean on your state to push back on federal control, to the point of separation if possible. You can't just keep telling people to do the same things that are not working and be getting upset when even the idea of anything else is presented. Because you will at this rate and course never address the issues, it will never be the "right" time and as you do damage control things will keep sliding.
Without a true parliamentary system or ranked choice voting, there will always be a 2-party system. It's an unavoidable feature of our voting and legislative system. And both parties benefit from keeping it as a 2-party system and will never support legislation that changes it. It would require a fundamental change that I support, but is politically impossible for the foreseeable future.
In the meantime, supporting third parties I agree with results in wars of choice and gestapo. So I instead support candidates as nominees for the party that is less harmful.
Changing the 2-party system is essentially impossible. Changing the parties themselves is easy. Look at how much worse the GOP managed to get in just the last 20 years.
Not unavoidable, not impossible and you are just pushing the problem down the road in the best case. You are at the end of that road, your midterms will let us all know if you even have the ability to vote them out (I assume its not going to go as well as anyone hopes).
Name a country with a legislative and electoral system like the US that hasn't broken down into a 2-party system. The US's system was designed specifically not to give parties power, and it broke into a 2-party system in the first month's of the first Presidential administration.
Yes - the specific parties have changed, but not since before the Civil War, because it's easier to change the existing parties than to get new ones off the ground.
Hell - the Republicans used to be the progressive party while the Democrats were the Southern slave-owning racist shitheads. Texas - the solid Republican stronghold - has only had 5 Republican governors in its history (one of which shouldn't really count since it was a Reconstruction governor), but has had 38 Democrats, and sent its first ever Republican-majority US House delegation to Congress in 2004.
It's not because Texas became super conservative. It's because the parties changed.
You are projecting your issues on other nations, The 2 party issue is almost only an american issue (one you tend to try to spread).
Even places that have 2 main parties don't have the same issue since they let other parties exist, the us does not. I can't think of another nation (that is not a single party state) with something as stupidly restrictive as the electoral collage and us style party system.
The electoral college has been an issue from the beginning. We had an electoral tie just 12 years into the process, and the 1876 election was the biggest electoral clusterfuck in American history.
But the problem we've had all along is how to address it. Constitutional Amendment is the solution, but that would require the parties who benefit from the system to change it, and that simply isn't going to happen. The most-recent Amendment (27th) was ratified by Maryland in 1789 and became law in 1992, and it was a no-brainer prohobiting Congress from giving themselves raises that took effect prior to the next House term.
And their magic solution is always to do nothing, not support the Democrats, and see if total collapse is better than fixing anything.
The crazy part is, you literally can't tell which ones are just teenager morons and which ones are literal fascists, because an adult fascist THINKS LIKE a fucking teenaged moron. So good luck sorting out which of these people means well but is a teenaged idiot, and which ones are the actual fascists.
They make the same arguments with the same flawed logic because they have the same brain limitations.
Thanks for the productive and not at all pretentions, performative comment about a country you don't live in.
Oh not being from a nation has never stopped you people from having an opinion, why would that matter to me?
Or does the collapse of the last superpower (who is actively against my nation) not concern me in a way you care for?
They weren't leftists, or anything close, but rewarding them for being 'at least you arent trump' sends them a message that they don't really have to try.
On the flip side, Trump has caused a ton of pain, and I think anyone who was trying to punish the dems for being shit is regretting it at this point, but I do see a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel here.
Nobody who's thought on it even briefly thinks unfettered capitalism is good anymore lmao.
Look, if we really believe that the Dems aren't the answer then the only choice we have left is mob violence, and a full blown governmental reset with a new Constitution. Personally I'm for that, however, I would like to give The Democratic Party enough rope to make it clear that is what needs to happen, or enough rope to actually get us out of this mess and on the path of recovery.
But yeah, if you're not willing to use your small piece of violence allotted to you by the system, then I assume you're mad enough to actually get bloody. And if you're not either one of those, then your opinion doesn't really have any weight, and you're exactly what they accuse you of.
Thats a bit of a pivot from the topic, im talking about pressuring the dems to change, not taking to the street. Adapt or fail.
It's not a pivot, it's a natural conclusion to your logic. Republicans are automatically out, which leaves The Democratic Party, Third Party, or Not Voting as your other choices. Third Party isn't currently viable, and nobody took the last two years(or more) to create a viable third party movement, so that's out.
Which leaves now Not Voting or The Democrats. If Not Voting is your choice, you are already saying you don't believe in the system, or that the current Administration is alright by you. And if you don't find the current Administration tolerable, then that leaves you don't believe in the system.
Which is fine, but that leaves it in your hands to get organized and do something. Discouraging others to not use their allotted piece of violence doesn't help, and very much makes you look like an asset for The Republicans.
So again, if you don't believe The Democrats are the solution, then I must assume you're mad enough to fight The System. And if your choice isn't either one of those, then you're a Republican Asset, and should be treated like one.
It achieves leverage. If a party knows it gets your vote regardless of what it does, it has very little electoral incentive to respond to you.
Withholding support makes that support conditional: adapt sufficiently to win those voters back, or accept the electoral cost of losing them.
You can argue that the cost of doing that is too high given the Republicans, but that's an argument about whether the strategy is worth the risk, not whether the strategy exists.
You can't achieve leverage unless they fear you more, than they love Israeli money. Your non vote, doesn't scare conservative parties, if it did we would have achieved your leverage already. Instead 30%-40% of the electorate sits out every election, even more during midterms, which is the largest "political faction" already dwarfing both major parties. And has for decades.
Your leverage in that manner doesn't exist, it's a dead end. You want them to change, make them fear you. Your non-vote doesn't achieve that. A Viable Third Party would, but that takes time. So you only have a few options left to achieve your leverage.
You’re conflating habitual non-voters with previously reliable voters deliberately withdrawing their support. They’re not politically equivalent.
A huge group that routinely doesn’t vote, for thousands of different reasons, sends no coherent signal. A measurable part of your coalition abandoning you over specific failures absolutely does.
And “make them fear you” is just a more dramatic way of describing electoral leverage. If losing those voters can cost Democrats elections, they have an incentive to win them back.
Whether they actually respond correctly is another question. But guaranteeing them your vote regardless of what they do certainly gives them less reason to, im sure you can appreciate that much?
Oh I'm sorry let me be more clear when I say, make them fear you. Organize a group and surround their house, let them know you know where they live, let them know there are far worse things that could happen by accident than not being reelected.
That's whats needed for change. Non-votes don't mean jack shit, terrorism works though. Non-votes are just another vote for the Status Quo, and a "feel good" way to achieve nothing. Might as well go do a No King's parade for the same level of effectiveness.
Losing is quite convincing. If enough people withdraw their support that you lose an election, you have a pretty strong incentive to win them back.
If you genuinely think threats of violence and terrorism are the only way to exert political pressure, I think we've reached a fairly fundamental disagreement. Thats lazy thinking as far as im concerned.
We have reached a fundamental disagreement. You want to believe in a reality that doesn't exist, while I'm forced to endure the one where violence and terrorism keeps working. The reality that every active governmental system is predicated on violence and terrorism. But most of all is ours. I can do a list of events proving my point, but truth is I'm pretty lazy today, and I've already written you off as either too naive right now, or a purpose-filled bad actor. Either way you read as a Republican Asset, I care not whether its incompetence or maliciousness.
Losing is convincing, but you have made a fundamental judgment of error when it comes to people. The DNC might be "losing" but the individuals are winning, they're richer today than they were yesterday. Your Non-votes lets them grift longer, while also not providing any data on the grift to be able to prove it to others.
Seriously, you convincing others to not vote is dangerous, and you deserve to be punched in the mouth like the Republicans you're helping.
So losing is convincing, but voting for people who you believe personally benefit regardless of whether they win or lose is the solution?
Whats the mechanism there?
And I think “agree with my electoral strategy or you deserve to be punched in the mouth” rather neatly demonstrates the problem with your conception of politics 😂 you must end up in a lot conversations that frustrate you.
Not rewarding them means we give up our right to vote after which we won't be able to remove the right without bullets because we won't have fair elections anymore. It's estimated that dismantling USAID alone will cause 14M preventable deaths by 2030 many of them children.
I guess the question is why are you willing to kill millions of children and crash our entire country in order to make a point we'll only appreciate after we are watching them drag people to the death camps they are already building.
The response would be, to save millions more from a future even worse dystopia that potentially lasts indefinitely.
There is no reason to believe that the democrats will enact such a dystopia or try to keep you from voting for someone else next round whereas the other side is literally already planning on stealing both upcoming elections and tweeting about it.
I'm not saying the Democrats themselves are going to create that dystopia, not directly. I'm saying that if people repeatedly vote Democrat and see no meaningful improvement in their lives, eventually some of them will conclude that voting Democrat achieves nothing and either disengage or swing even harder towards the Republicans.
"Vote Democrat because the alternative is worse" can work for a while, but it isn't a sustainable substitute for actually giving people reasons to believe their lives will improve.