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There’s no need. They have enough money to run Wikipedia for many many decades.
lol not decades and mostly donations
How much do you think payroll is? Major layoffs would likely begin in a year if people stopped donating i'd imagine.
That includes their data centers engineering and security payroll from what I read. The bulk of expenses is literally just to run the application smoothly, and keep these employees paid.
The only way to make their funds lasts decades would be to shut down a ton of shit and lay off employees, which would not be something anyone wants.
They don’t have to shut it all down but they should absolutely split off all their bloated non-Wikipedia endeavors from the rest of the organization. If they were actually honest to people about where the donations get spent a lot fewer people would donate.
Okay so I'm not too familiar with Wikimedia's other offerings so I decided to look it up
https://wikimediafoundation.org/what-we-do/wikimedia-projects/
WikiBooks free ebooks, cool I should go through what they have
wikisource: freely licensed historical texts and docs, cool don't need but sounds good to have
Wikiversity: free education via learning resources and projects, fucking awesome and wish I knew about it before
wikivoyage: free travel guide, cool stuff
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You're really arguing that all this is unnecessary bloat? There's a lot of cool shit here that seems like it's totally made with awesome intentions, to provide all sorts of free resources from a certified non profit org that is literally just trying to crowd source information and provide it back to the community for 100% free with no ads.
That's like saying your city library takes up too much space and should downsize because fuck free stuff. Except your taxes don't even go to this... just donations, and you're literally telling people online to not donate to them because they have too much money and lying about how long they can survive on it...
Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with you?
The best breakdown I have seen on this matter was this op-ed by a long-time and quite prominent Wikipedian on Wikipedia Foundation (WMF) spending patterns.
Here's an excerpt:
The point that this Guy is making is that the rate of spending increase is concerningly high, and that it isn't showing signs of levelling off (at least, as far as the data in the article, which goes up to 2025, shows). He's concerned that if spending continues to increase at such a high rate, then it may overtake donations, causing WMF to have to dip into their endowment.
Now, that wouldn't be a huge problem by itself, but what Macon fears is that, should this happen, WMF wouldn't adapt appropriately and they'd just end up in a spending death loop that would lead to the loss of Wikipedia as we know it (and imperil all the other cool stuff they do, like those you list).
I don't have much personal experience editing Wikipedia myself, but I have plenty of friends who do, and what I've heard from them leads me to take Guy Macon's warning seriously. Apparently Wikipedia is quite bad on the software development side of things, as well as spending transparency.
I remember the development and deployment of the Visual Editor causing particular hubbub amongst my nerdy Wikipedia friends, and Macon cites this as an example:
When I dug into this further though, the biggest concern for me was the lack of spending transparency. This article by Guy Macon blew up because a lot of people shared his concerns, and those people naturally wanted a clearer accounting on how money was being spent. The fact that that has continually resulted in little, if any improvement or fulfillment of promises made is a bad look for an organisation that claims to pride itself on radical transparency.
Because this essay is hosted on Wikipedia, there's a heckton of other discussions on the talk page for that essay too, if you want to check it out.
[citation needed]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/who-we-are/financial-reports/
If you poke around there you will see a million line items that can be accurately summarized as “not Wikipedia”. The wikimedia foundation is massively bloated because they have an infinite source of funding. I don’t even think all the projects they are doing are bad or anything, it’s just that they aren’t Wikipedia.
It’s highly unethical the way they solicit for donations and heavily imply that the donations are to run Wikipedia. They aren’t. They are spending all that money on other pet projects and pinkertons to do union busting.
Thanks! I can't really make much sense of it, do you know if there's an example you can point me to?
I read through it and they have roughly 17 months of runway left to cover all their services. They don't have "decades".
Whoever this is claiming they have decades of pay is full of shit, and just saying they spend too much and have too much "bloat" when the non wikipedia stuff is like wikiversity and wikibooks, actual decent 100% free services with great intentions. Literally they are a non profit that survive on donations and spend 70% on payroll and data center services to offer us free shit.
The claim I made was only one sentence yet you only read half of it. The foundation has enough money to run Wikipedia for decades. The foundation has maaaaaany other projects that they currently pour money into.
See also: https://lemmy.world/comment/25698393