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America has been punching and kicking countless countries since WWII, causing thousands if not millions of deaths (Iraqi "freedom" alone caused like 300.000 Iraqi deaths IIRC) and the second that somebody punches back and gives them a bloody nose its all crying and needing to make 50 movies about the heroes of that day, and of course it was immediately used to implement the "patriot" act (hint, it has shit to do with patriotism and everything with making the IS an autocratic state)
I get it, of course. For the individuals that died or were injured that day, it's a tragedy, but as a country? They completely deserved it and much, much more
You’re spot on, and that said tragedy was exploited to do even more cruelty makes it even worse
What it was used to justify is unforgivable, but please remember that a population of ~350m people is not a monolith. Our government is garbage, but many of us were aware of what was being done in the name of "national security" and protesting /voting against it at the time.
You're kidding, right? If Americans are incapable of doing anything, its protesting. And don't tell me about the sad "no kings" protests, that was nothing.
I know that many Americans, maybe even most, don't agree with US policies, but that is the problem: you've allowed a tiny rich minority to abuse your and other countries for well over a century and you haven't done shit to stop that. Its gone on for so long that most left wing people in the USA are still having right wing ideas because you dont even know better
"At the time" referring to Bush-era police state codification.
"No kings" responds with some shit that happened like a year ago.
K.
Do you think maybe there's a way to phrase that where you're not saying that 2,000 innocent people deserved to die?
How about "The worlds most advanced military power allowed 2000 deaths to occur, all to further allow its parent state to tighten restrictions on free movement, increase surveillance on innocent civilians, and garner support for an invasion of an unrelated country?"
It was ~3.4k total body count but yeah essentially that
It was well over 3000 IIRC, and I did. It was a tragedy for the individuals and nobody deserved it but as a country it was more than well deserved.
You could say the same for the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians that have been massacred over the past 7 decades by Israel with financial and arms support from the USA.
You could say the same about the 500.000+ Iraqis that have perished by operation desert storm
You could, bit you don't
This is why I am saying that the individuals were innocent, but the nation is guilty as fuck. If the USA would be treated by it's own rules on how it treats murder, it would have to kill itself over and over for thousands of years
And just on case you think I'm a tankie who just hates the USA, I'll say the same for China, Russia, Israel, Iran, north Korea, and so on...