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[–] Sparrow_1029@programming.dev 42 points 1 month ago (3 children)

TLDW:

  • China is good at compressing the existing models by stealing the answers they give you to make models that have equivalent performance that are way cheaper (plagiarism)
  • shares a bunch of clips of Ed Zitron repeating a lot of the things he said over the last six months about there not being a path to profitability for American AI companies
  • the bond market looks similar to how it did back before 2008
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's worth noting that the whole China is distilling our glorious models narrative is largely nonsense. First of all, everybody distills, so it's not like it's unique to Chinese companies. Second, most of actual research that's published is now coming out of China.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Making a new cheaper model involves nothing more than taking output from an openathropic model and feeding it into your own. Don't worry about why only Chinese companies are able to do it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago

Obviously people like Scam Altman are just too principled to stoop to the level of these savage Chinese companies.

[–] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

(plagiarism)

In AI?? How dare!

[–] Sparrow_1029@programming.dev 8 points 1 month ago

HOW DARE INDEED ha thanks for the chortle 😂

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

China is good at compressing the existing models by stealing the answers they give you to make models that have equivalent performance that are way cheaper (plagiarism)

Lol plagerism is when they take your shitty product and actually make it better apparently. Begs the question why China manages to succeed at this when Western companies that own the original product can't. You'd think they'd always be one step ahead of those damn plagerising Chinese scum or at least would be able to do the exact same thing China does.

Also if you're calling plagerism on this I'm calling plagerism on all of AI. You can't accept any generative AI while simultaneously pearl clutching when someone else plagerises your country's AI. So pick one. Either we ban all AI for plagerising all of humanity or we don't give a shit when one AI company plagerises another.

[–] Sparrow_1029@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I didn't really intend "plagiarism" to convey my opinion (which is that the AI companies can get fucked), but more as a neutral term to mean Chinese companies are copying to make cheaper models, as asserted by the video

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fair enough, I apologise for jumping to conclusions then.