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New Marker Just Dropped for Frequent Upvoters (media.piefed.ca)

submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/fedimemes@feddit.uk

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[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My 241st vote when it realises it's going to a piefed instance:

Vanellope banging against an invisible wall before getting sucked into a black hole.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Omg this will really break the whole federated model won't it? It's already insane that different instances hold different vote counts from one another, but this adds a whole new twist on top.

Genuine question: does this mean that PieFed is now no longer ActivityPub compliant? Is it not fully part of the Threadiverse anymore, and is now its own little subset of that? Even Mbin still accepted vote counts, even though it added boosts ("increases" and "reductions" iirc?) on top of them.

Could you tell from your look at the code if PieFed is only throttling its own users internally, prior to votes federating out, or throttling incoming votes from Lemmy as well?

Also this is so ridiculously easy to get around: most of us have a variety of obvious and self-acknowledged alts across the Threadiverse, but I doubt PieFed is going to maintain a mapping among all of them and apply the throttle universally across the entire set. e.g. Blaze goes back to his empire of alts, one for each day of the week, and continues upvoting without restriction.

The KISS principle would seem to apply - why needlessly complicate matters?

Edit: I found your missing vote btw, here it is:

Edit 2: I thought the above image was from Black Hole Sun, but now I am not so sure of that... anyway it seems to fit, regardless:-P.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Genuine question: does this mean that PieFed is now no longer ActivityPub compliant? Is it not fully part of the Threadiverse anymore, and is now its own little subset of that? Even Mbin still accepted vote counts, even though it added boosts (“increases” and “reductions” iirc?) on top of them.

Let's not catastrophise. Piefed is still ActivityPub compliant, or as compliant as it was. Nothing in the spec says you have to accept an activity, it'd be pretty nonsensical if it did because moderation wouldn't be possible.

Could you tell from your look at the code if PieFed is only throttling its own users internally, prior to votes federating out, or throttling incoming votes from Lemmy as well?

It's throttling incoming votes as well, you can see that here. It honestly wouldn't make much sense if it didn't, though it is irksome that it blocks announcing the vote to other instances. That makes piefed comms something the really active users will avoid.

Also this is so ridiculously easy to get around: most of us have a variety of obvious and self-acknowledged alts across the Threadiverse, but I doubt PieFed is going to maintain a mapping among all of them

Even if they tried to do that, people would just stop being forthcoming with their alts.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago

Thank you for your measured response.

Throttling PieFed users is bad enough, but throttling users of other platforms seems akin to censorship. Like if you want to access the full Threadiverse then you can do so from Lemmy + mBin + nodeBB etc., but if you access via PieFed then you don't get the full range of activities. In some ways PieFed is Threadiverse++ (the API supports user & post flairs, polls, emoji reactions, etc., on top of internal organization goodies like categories of communities if you use the web UI), but in some ways it is also Threadiverse—, intentionally choosing to ignore some contributions from the wider Fediverse.

At a minimum that would be quite... odd to explain to people.

And thank you also for the additional code peek!:-)