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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't see what else it could be to be honest. Seems that the EU is willing to destroy Europe on American orders. There doesn't seem to be anything more sophisticated than that happening here.

[–] DonLongSchlong@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Are they hoping that we will be too malnourished to behead them? lol.

Jokes aside, is there really no material reason? No gain to be had? Not even a false hope for them? Just "yup this is obviously gonna kill us all and we like that. Heil America"?

As a baby-marxist, i am not sure how to compute that lmao

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I honestly cannot think of any rational reason here. Like even if Europe wanted to bootstrap domestic industries, then they still need energy to do that. Buying Chinese renewables is really the only option in the short term. Incidentally, that precisely the path Chinese leadership chose with the whole opening up approach. They realized they needed to bridge the gap with the west, and they allowed western companies in to learn from them. Right now, it's Europe that needs to learn from China, but is instead choosing to cut itself off instead.

[–] DonLongSchlong@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

RIP us bozos in europe then lmao

I hope China will be kind once we crawl back to them. Although, socialist IMF loans and shocktherapy might be better /s

[–] Sanya@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

About that, I'm really curious to see what happens after this whole fiasco. Does anyone have any theory/guess on that? I suppose an Euro-American split is inevitable no matter what happens, but I'm honestly not super knowledgeable on marxist theory so don't take my word for it.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Think Third Reich, but bigger. That means EU expansionism to East and South.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The idea is that you don't need efficient energy if you're not trying to be competitive. And what is the only industry that will always be subsidized by the state no matter how uncompetitive it is? Military. That is what the EU is banking on. Deindustrialize everything else and replace it with military production. The way this will be financed is by destroying European welfare systems and of course the Ponzi scheme of expanding the Eurozone. That is why they rushed Bulgaria into adopting the Euro, why they'll do the same to Hungary and Romania (to the immense detriment of these countries) and why they are obsessed with absorbing every European country into the EU. In the meantime they will bend the knee to everything the US wants and will accept any humiliation as long as it keeps American military power in Europe, because they are scared shitless of losing the Americans.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

I think that's where things are going. But it's even worse than that because there will be austerity without any meaningful military production. Just look at the whole plan to make 1.5 mil shells for Ukraine. Nothing much materialized in the end. The whole thing was just a slush fund where a bunch of people lined their pockets. The EU is run by a bunch of kleptocrats, and they will just keep robbing the public blind while scaring them with Russian invasion.