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It must be so nice having worldviews that can be fully encapsulated by trolley memes
Well first you gotta gimme an example of one that wouldn’t fit.
I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes:
If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this?
Ngl I seen trolly memes set up like this before :p
Perhaps I should have said "worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes", lol
But hey, that's just theory...
GAME THEORY
Either way, you gotta have your hand on the lever!
Yes, despite my sassiness towards you in this thread this is a true and wise observation that goes ignored too often. My disagreements are not pertaining to the idea of inaction constituting action
No worries, I would 100% prefer the proverbial third track, but it isn't connected yet. In the meantime, I'll have extreme disdain for the jackasses standing around moralizing while the train is actively running people over.
Political power is gained via votes! Vote! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I mean, yeah, this is why I think my picture turned out pretty good, Because the blue option is the better one in every single junction, but the best outcome cannot be reached by always traversing the blue path. It's interesting to try to figure out which path in that diagram produces the best overall outcome, and then compare that with what produces the best outcome if we only consider the most immediate results. I'm curious which colors you'd vote for if you were at the first junction in my diagram, knowing that your vote does not guarantee the outcome?
i'm somewhat of a centrist so i think it's gotta be somewhere between these two:
Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme!
i mean not really, it's not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is 'pragmatic'. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao
organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn't
While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil.
The stakes are the future of the world.
if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas
Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals.
voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals
Voting for neither is the same as voting for both.
if voting for neither is the same voting for both, then can we formally acknowledge that my vote makes zero difference and maybe people can stop votescolding?
No, because voting for one is not the same as voting for neither/both.
Voting for the perfect candidate > voting for A > not voting > voting for B
The perfect candidate didn’t exist, but instead of choosing the second best option, you chose the third best option, and we ended up with the worst option because a lot of people did what you did. Thanks a bunch.
Can you explain this to me like I'm dumb? Cause I am. Is this making fun of the people who choose someone who's literally not connected to the track?
Needs to be updated to add the Iranian flag to the GOP track. Man, do I wish there were a realistic way to choose that bottom track!
it's simple, you just don't vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win
blowing up/ derailing the trolly also works
And there's no viable way to do that under the current system, which is why the track isn't connected.
i love how you concede that the system is so dysfunctional you can't even oppose a genocide under it and simultaneously expect me to to believe that individuals voting (or not) is somehow making a meaningful difference in the outcome
THAT'S NOT HOW VOTING WORKS!
People have to vote FOR the OTHER party, or else the genocidal warmonger party wins anyway!
You are saying shit that is both moronic and factually untrue.
you know there's a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.
I voted for them last election and don't regret it
No there fucking wasn't! Not one that could win! You're a goddamned liar and you are helping the fascists!
there's no way anyone could help the fascists more than an 'opposition' party which routinely fails to actually oppose them
if the democrats had any principles and actually opposed fascism they wouldn't spend so much time punching left
Yes there is. By actively discouraging opposition to the fascists, which is what you're doing. You are literally delusional.
I'm not even saying you're wrong about the Democrats; I'm saying you're wrong about motherfucking GAME THEORY and MATH! Even acknowledging what you just wrote, YOU STILL HAVE TO VOTE FOR THEM ANYWAY!
First of all, anyone who isn't an actual illiterate moron can see that first statement is blatantly not true. Second, you are not fucking entitled to accuse me of religion, you hateful bigot!
You have been doing nothing in this thread but peddling disinformation, lies, libel, and now intolerance of lack of religion. You need to be banned.
people insisting on vote-scolding over a year after the election are absolutely supporting them uncritically.
maybe blind faith would be a better phrasing, but 'hateful bigot' is a bit hyperbolic. after all you're the one advocating for the people who spent years arming a genocidal ethnostate and suppressing all criticism of it
You continue to lie. I'm the one advocating AGAINST doing things that help the people actively egging the genocide on, and perpetrating huge numbers of other atrocities while they're at it!
You, on the other hand, are apparently A-OK with murdering Iranians, Venezuelans, anti-fascist Americans, and too many other thousands upon thousands of other people to even keep track of on top of even more Palestinians than would've been killed under the ONLY alternative. And you're apparently likewise A-OK with destroying democracy, the rule of law, the global environment, and everything else while you're at it. You apparently love corruption. You apparently love child rape. You even apparently love genocide, because your actions do not match your words and the actual result of your actions resulted in MORE of it.
You endorse every atrocity because the lesser-evil candidate didn't pass your demented purity test. That is what actual fucking evil looks like.
are you okay? you're getting kind of unhinged.
I don't endorse any of that, my vote made zero fucking difference in the election. the democrats eating shit is their own fault and nobody elses. you are indistinguishable from a religious zealot lmao
I'm sick and tired of people like you ruining the future of my children (let alone everybody else's) through your sheer fucking stupidity. And you're still trying to make it worse by continuing to spread your disinformation!
Yes, you do! YES YOU DO! That's what refusing to practice harm reduction does: it endorses the harm. That blood absolutely is on your hands, whether you admit it to yourself or not!
me:
you:
the democrats are not credible opponents of fascism, the only people responsible for their failures are them.
you can blame me all you like, but i think the people enabling a feckless opposition in the face of climate catastrophe and rising fascism are the ones fucking things up for your kids.
And yet there is no other alternative that actually exists, so we're stuck with them, credible or not! The only -- only! -- way forward that has even a slim chance of success is to try to get better people to win Democratic primaries, not to suicidally punish them in the general election. At that point, they're the least-bad option no matter how feckless they are!
That's reality in accordance with the cold hard math of game theory, and nobody gives a fuck if you like it.
EDIT: RIP Master of All Science, apparently.
funnything in rick and morty, the very same episode supernova says"what is is-rayel" referring to israel, rick and morty and FAMILY guy are 1 of the 2 shows that poke fun of the ridiculous of hte gaza/palestine conflict.