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So what you're saying because "power over" is bad, humans are bad? There are plenty humans civilizations who did a better job at preventing power, maybe your misanthropy is a symptom of a narrow worldview?
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Would you mind explaining how you answer that question yourself? Just so I don't misunderstand you.
Many native societies (who often still exist today), the zapatistas, in the ZADs, the Paris commune, Rojava, and also potentially most of the time humanity existed. I could dig up more, but arguing with somebody who has opinions like that is tedious.
Bookchin, you can find the context here
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This worldview is getting increasingly more common with more people falling for eco-fascist talking points. In my experience it most often boils down to two reasons why this happens: lack of education or unwillingness.
As you mentioned you're in a privileged position, I am just gonna accuse you of the second. And that's a shame. I bet with all the time you have from being free from being forced to do wage labour you could actually do good in the world. Your generalisation is an insult to every good person in the world, and I find that to be narrow-minded and disgusting.
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That's great to hear you're trying to be better than your skewed view of humanity! I hope I was wrong.
I don't know you, so hating you is kind of difficult and I don't want to anyways :). I do absolutely despise the opinions you've presented in this thread though. I understand them on an emotional level, but I really encourage you to try to grow past them. It only helps those who want to make the world a worse place, and I personally think that empathy and cooperation is the way out.
I understand that's more difficult than just throwing the towel.
On the off-chance the reason is the first, I recommend Kropotkin's "Mutual Aid" as an intro. It's free in the anarchist library and other places.
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That's a pretty valid point of view. You're right on the fact most are corruptible by power, so i personally wouldn't blame individuals, i only blame the system.
And it's true the better systems didn't last... Doesn't mean we can't try to improve ever so slightly.
Now i'm not sure how much we can learn from history though.
The problem is that our paradigm is changing much too fast alongside our technology.
So i think we can't really predict what the gamble of technology will give us next.
Might be bad, might be good, or something just different, but i bet we will be extremely surprised by how fast change will come.
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You don't see how tech is the only reason for the world changing like it does recently?
Internet and digital tech for exemple, is what made Google, Amazon or Facebook...
Their capital didn't came from just the guys running things, pretty far from it. Without them their company would still exist, just with a different name and guy at the top, they would give the same service.
What created those company and the capital is what was invented and developed by programmers and scientists.
And only profit is driving it, not any one person.
Today what is changing things repeatedly is digital techniques like AI.
And let's be honest gafa aren't the one chosing to invest, they just know if it's not them the opportunity to make billions will be to someone else, it's just reality of technical advancement.
And that's what changed our society, always has been. Same could be said about coal, electricity and petrol, cars...
The market just follows the flow of technology, and the problem is that it doesn't care for people in the process, you just can't miss an opportunity.
P.S. I'd also argue it change a lot about US in some sens, it changed our vision of the world, our culture and our way to interact.
Sure it doesn't change our nature. But i don't think our nature is the only factor in how our society evolve. It's not the only thing that matters to us anymore, i wouldn't be able to talk to you let alone read (i haves glasses). Most of the things we do aren't natural.
Now sure AI isn't really intelligent let alone conscious. But it is such a tool that impacted a lot industry and our daily lives. Writing or art, gaming, programming, all changed to some extent. And it seems to still have a long way to go.
Now of course it will not change that much on its own, but in the future alongside with everything else we're going to invent, i think it will make things change, like previous invention made our modern society.
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I mean, don't you think the use of our tools can shape who you are as a person? It changes our experience of the world, our knowledge, it's definitely a part of our construction as individuals.
I said and done things i wouldn't have if it wasn't for some stranger on the internet changing mind on something.
All the things i learned thanks to the internet definitely made me a better person overall. And it definitely could make you a bad person too.
And yes i wasn't quite there before the internet but as a science nerd i'm so impressed by how far we've got, from the logic and punch cards to internet now. Reducing the size of transistors to nanometer was a crazy journey. There's definitely reasons to be proud.
And i'm really looking forward what AI can do, the latest videos of two minute papers on sora just made my mind blown.
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I think it did change me yes, it made me grow in a way i wouldn't otherwise. Helped me with my emotions and empathy in a way i wouldn't have found around me.
And that's the thing, making communication or information easier to get also forces you into discovery. Laziness, at least in that regard, is well anchored in our nature too. I could have learn though books or teachers, but there's plenty i'm pretty sure i wouldn't have.
An ironic example is programming, if i only had the programming course i've had in the first year of college i probably wouldn't have learned much, it was boring as hell. But i learned programming by myself the summer before, with a c++ tutorial and the intent on creating 2d games. And that was extremely fun for me, to the point i took more courses on the topic later on for my own studies in maths.
Yeah i really can't bring myself to understand what it was like back when drive where 10mb or less. Any software now is so much bigger it's crazy. Latest thing i remember is downloading film with torrent and how slow that was. I'm pretty sure my 4G is faster almost in the same order of magnitude.
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Yeah, the net is really a good way to learn about IT and most things related, the amount of good sources makes it really easy to just self-teach.
I often found it easier than to rely on finding a good teacher. Some lectures or materials from prestigious schools are even online.
Your right the future seems to hold some golden technology still. I'm really waiting to see how AI will be implemented in games for example.
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Plenty of games has that problem without IA. And i'm guessing we aren't gonna restrict ourselves to hardware, the majority of games already doesn't care to take a lot of space and graphic processing.
That said NPCs in a game doing various actions using the simplest language model has been done quite some time ago. But it wasn't actually used more than as a novelty. Maybe later idk.
For dialogue i agree that it takes to much time to respond, at least for now. But i think it doesn't really has to be done in real time, it can just be created beforehand.
And that's true in general, we probably are restricted to use it in the creation process now.
What's probably the most useful would be on asset generation, since that's one of the most time consuming part in game dev.
I'd guess especially for all the random generated games that would be amazing too at some point.
Recently for example we've seen ai be able to create very good looking videos. And the technics they use for image consistency includes thinking about the object as 3d ones.
For now though it's mostly used for interpolation, creating images between two existing ones to get more fps and fluid movement, pretty effective.
Another one i've also seen it used is for lighting, the process being pretty calculation heavy it can really help. That's mostly useful for the prebaked light that's created once and then stored. But i think it will be very useful for dynamic lighting one day, i feel it's not that far either.
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