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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The biggest similarity is that we are both willing to use violence to oppress our enemies. The difference is that the enemy of communists are our oppressors and the enemy of fascist is whoever they decide to not like at the moment. The ultimate attack on capital (communism) is materially different than the ultimate defense of capital (fascism).

Fun fact though, liberalism also supports violence (or at least passively accepts it) as long as it is mostly external. We don't get to choose non-violence. You can attack the people doing violence, join the people doing violence, or accept the people doing violence.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I appreciate your point of view, but from my interactions here, that's not my experience.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To be clear I am not trying to argue with you here I'm just curious what you think.

What part of what I said have you found to be untrue? What sort of interactions led you to this conclusion?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think, it needs to be clarified, that not everything you said I would say is "untrue", and I want to thank you for approaching this conversation constructively. I think we agree on many points, e.g. housing is a human right, as is access to food, Healthcare, water, etc.

The biggest similarity is that we are both willing to use violence to oppress our enemies.

I can't speak to that point, so I will defer to you.

The difference is that the enemy of communists are our oppressors and the enemy of fascist is whoever they decide to not like at the moment.

I do know that fascism needs an enemy in order to function, but, from my interactions with various people who claim to be communist, they are just as happy to view anyone who dissent with their views as a sheep, or, an enemy to their cause. For example, we both agree that Israel is committing genocide, we both agree that, at the very least, Israel is certainly on its way to doing the same in Lebanon. We both agree that what the US did in Iran, and Vensuela is inexcusable (keeping it recent). Now when another country, russia, does something similar to ukraine, and, it's called out, well now im a shit lib who is pro Imperialism and the enemy of what is "communism"

The ultimate attack on capital (communism) is materially different than the ultimate defense of capital (fascism).

If you mean communism, and not whatever russia and China are, then yes, no argument here.

Fun fact though, liberalism also supports violence (or at least passively accepts it) as long as it is mostly external.

I think liberals, generally are ok with it, as you said, externally, there was a lot of liberal support for the Iraq bullshit.

We don't get to choose non-violence. You can attack the people doing violence, join the people doing violence, or accept the people doing violence.

Yes, boiled down, that is very unfortunately the case, and from an idealistic point of view, we need to collectively move past that stupidity.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not ignoring you, but I want to give you a proper reply, not on my phone, so I need to get on a computer, ill write you back :)

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

No worries, take your time

[–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With the slight clarification that communists will redifine oppressors at their will, making them effectively the same in practice.

  • You are a worker that doesn't support the movement? Class traitor, gulag.

  • You made a joke about dear leader? Traitor, gulag.

  • You would like free elections? Foreign agent, gulag.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anything's possible when you make shit up

[–] Tja@programming.dev -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, holodomor is western propaganda.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Yes actually, and like all the best propaganda it's partially true. Famine happened, people died, both verifiable facts. The extent is drastically exaggerated by western sources, allegations that it was an intentional act of genocide are baseless and hilariously hypocritical coming from the US & friends.