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Probably because Americans aren't given access to any of the good cheap electric cars that everyone else is getting.
If you told them they could get one for like $15k I bet that number would change REAL fast.
But what if instead of 15k small sedan/hatch you could have a 50k (base) SUV that looks like a brick and needs twice the battery to go the same distance?
Thanks to Rivian, we already have that covered!
Lol, starting price of around $78k.
I guess I'm keeping my f350 running for another 27 years... give me something I can afford that meets my needs. I hate driving the truck without the trailer but I can't afford a 50k suv that won't even do the job of my truck. Besides I miss the way my last sedan handled and want another, but again I can't justify 40k, but maybe 20k
edit - and just a few hours latter the fuel tank fell off and there isn't enough unrusted metal to reattach it. I don't have time for that much body work so it is gone. :(
I mean you can't get a gas car for $15k either.
Right. EVs are CHEAPER than gas cars everywhere else. That's why they are selling so well.
They're not cheaper, they're just heavily subsidized.
Gasoline is subsidized.
So?
So what?
So are regular cars... EV being subsidized just levels the playfield
What are "regular cars" and how are they subsidized?
Gas is subsidized.
They are cheaper to manufacture in the long run though. Less parts and complexity.
They're not. They have this very expensive thing called a battery.
Just what do you think is easier to make. A battery where sheets of metal are coated in a liquid, dried, cut, rolled, and placed in a box? or all the parts needing milling and placement for a an automatic transmission engine?
I don't know what's easier to make. I do know what's more expensive.
If you get a vehicle that's very efficient and give it 150 miles of range, they can be quite a bit less expensive, but we also know no one will buy them.
Get up to date. Lithium packs now cost $108 per kw hr. Or $5500 for a typical pack.
A catalytic converter on an F150 is $2000.
Where are you getting this information from? A typical pack is 60kWh at minimum, which is $6500, assuming that rate is correct.
That's what Elon sold us. The cost of a battery has dropped 90% in the last decade. Why dont ICE haters quote the cost of catalytic converters?
They're still very expensive.
I don't know, why would they?
Because EVs don't have them and they are expensive. JFC buddy, would a crayon picture help?
Why wouldn't they quote the cost of spark plugs or cylinder heads or transmission syncros? They're all part of the same powertrain.
If catalytic converters comprised 80% of the cost of the powertrain, and 30% of the cost of the vehicle, and they ICE more expensive than EVs, they probably would point to that as an explanation for why they're more expensive. But none of those things are true.
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
Beater cars are about $2K-$7k round here
You can buy a used Nissan leaf 5 years old or newer for 4K.
I mean you can get a used beater for $1 but now you're throwing a billion new variables into the mix that aren't comparable.
You can in many other countries, lol. Try $3k for a gas car. That is closer to the global entry point.
You got a source for that? This is a brand new, road-legal car that meets modern safety standards?
New gas cars are 30k and up. Getting a new EV for 40 or a ev used for 25 is totally reasonable.
Now when everyone else on earth is getting them for half that.
Don't let perfect be enemy of good etc. I tell everyone that a 2 car household needs one electric car. Most families don't have two cars that need to go 300 miles in a day. Most don't have one.
Some could get away with spending 3k for an old one that goes 60 miles but it doesn't matter because they drive 20.
Want to set down the crack pipe and point me towards these three thousand dollar EVs?
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/d/nordland-2011-nissan-leaf-only-20k-miles/7905766000.html Here you go. Feel free to tell me sorry for being a no-good-nincompoop
Used EVs are cheap. Over $15k and you are doing something wrong.
Name any car on sale for $15K. Park it in your driveway of your $90,000 house.
It's okay that you have no idea what vehicles are available outside the US, but maybe educate yourself instead of proving your ignorance next time?
China is dumping TEMU EVs all over Australia. They only look like actual cars.
americans can't buy cars that exist outside of the USA. Just like the chinese can't buy F150s
Yes. That is the point I am making. If you can't manage to follow a conversation then maybe your input isn't needed?
FYI, I block morons. Bye.
Back in the 90s
I’m looking at getting a used one with a lot of miles for that much 😭 so yes.
Where do you live that you can get an ev for 15k? Just curious is all.
Most every country on earth that isn't the United States or Canada.
Used not so hard
Used.
Ontario.
US$9000
My mistake, I didn't know he meant used. Working in the car industry and leasing an ev. They are the last kind of car I'd buy outright. The problem is that he is trying to sell a reasonably new car for about 12500 cad when the same year camry is in 18-22k. My experience for that is because by the time you go to sell a used ev, you can get a new one for not much more and get the better range, newer battery, and full warranty. That being said, I do desperately wish that the corrupt government would let in other brands, but that'll never happen. It's protectionism.
You can barely get a motorcycle for $15k
The fuck? I could get a new cb450 for about $6k here in California.