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Apparently, Ukrainian drones pushed through and started a chain reaction.

Explosions reportedly continued for hours, and authorities evacuated nearby settlements. Initial reports indicate that the site, previously protected by one of Russia’s densest air defense networks, suffered catastrophic damage.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Is there a particular reason I only ever see ukraine positive war stuff? And when I see negative ukraine war stuff it's coming out of trumps mouth?

No, I don't follow it religiously.

[–] vivendi@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Basically? Wartime propaganda

Ukraine has been doing individual, small wins like this and they obviously toot their horn when it happens

But on a large scale, Ukraine has been slowly losing ground

[–] turnip@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'd assume because we are allied with Ukraine, and you'd see the opposite in Russia.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Just to add, Ukrainians information is remarkably reliant and verifiable, the russian information is kremlin lies, so from the start the russian part is just not very interesing at all.

Also obviously they both talk about good things for them, classic war propaganda.

Add in that Ukraine is the (incredible) underdog and here we are.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Negative stuff does come out from time to time, especially when Russia makes big advances, but the underdog effect means that Ukraine typically gets more attention and media coverage for their successful military operations. Russia has had scant few successes over the past few years so they are spreading propaganda that make them look as if they are winning which is getting picked up and parroted by Trump and other neo-fascists in the West.

[–] xiii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia had no significant gains over the last years with half a million casualties (KIA, MIA, lost limbs, war prisoners), the logistics is crumbling — they use donkeys, the economy and demographic are in the toilet but Russia is extremely good at spreading propaganda. So much so that the US admin is parroting it and putting pressure on Ukraine.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't you hate on donkeys! They are an excellent mean of transportation on tough terrain. I don't know in what context russia uses them, but the US do so too :D

[–] TastyWheat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And they're cute too although some can be mean as fuck....

[–] Gadg8eer@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh, I'll take it if we're talking about actual donkeys and not the Republican party of the US. Did you that, in lieu of a dog, a donkey is a perfect way to protect livestock?

I'm serious, a predator should think twice; A donkey can grab a cougar's tail and literally beat it to death by using the wildcat as a living flail. Very protective.

[–] Necroscope0@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republican party animal is the Elephant. Donkey is Dems.

[–] Gadg8eer@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whoops, you're right. Sorry, my Canadian is showing. Tbf, American politics has always been a necessary thing to know about here.

Anyone think it's weird the Republicans would choose an animal associated with Africa and the Indian subcontinent?

[–] TheLunatic@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Russia's apparent war plan involves lots of slow attritional fighting, which isn't flashy and rarely results in a "Win". Not to mention we kind of do see the russian equivalent of this attack (Bombing hospitals, shopping malls and power infrastructure) reported on, it's just not considered a win to kill civilians in the west.

A view I agree with not only on the basis of valuing peace, life and the safety of noncombatants but also on the basis of it not being an effective way to win a war, e.g Korean war, Vietnam war, or the near leveling of London and large swaths of europe in Ww2. Strategic bombing of civilian assets just makes the people being bombed more likely to fight back and willing to endure higher casualties on the front lines.

Fun tidbit, this depot explosion was initially claimed to be "Negligence and mishandling of munitions" by the kremlin, which along with "Smoking accident" is basically shorthand for "Was hit by a drone but we don't want to let our people know that we aren't able to keep the war away from them".

[–] frezik@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago

Like the sinking of the Moskva, they choose a story that makes them look incompetent rather than giving the enemy a win. If you have to make this choice, you might be losing.

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mostly since the oligarchs in the western camp wants you to see their propaganda. It would be the other way around if you relocated. But if you really want you can find better sources.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Link some of those sources then.

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah , you got internet. Do some work to keep yourself informed. I think it's funny that this is the line here and at the same time negotiating deal is better for Russia than they suggested themselves multiple times. It's in the mainstream now so you shouldn't have any issues finding it. But I'm sure your copium can make the coup regime in ukraine winners here as well lol

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's always the shadiest, most conspiratorial people that refuse to provide sources and say "jUsT gOoGLe iT".

Provide sources or you simply will not be taken seriously, and overall look like an embarrassment.

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah not really it's mostly sad conspiracy people that follow propaganda and take it for facts. Do some work you can do it.

I'm happy to discuss the fact that the start of the leaked negotiatings are better than what Russia's demands was before.

If you don't believe sure , you will just need to wait until it's undeniable. But as said I'm sure even if Ukraine was flattened and a nuclear wasteland it would be a win for you somehow.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is evidence that the white house is riddled with Russian plants/propaganda not that the reality on the front is worse for Ukraine than we thought.

We always knew it was bad. It has never been good for Ukraine. If it ever gets good for Ukraine you will see Russians retreating. Nobody knows where that point is, but they are almost certainly closer today than they were a year ago.

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So .. what's the latest on Krim? Ukraine getting that or what?

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on if Trump gives Zelenski a deal he can't refuse.

If nobody changes US or European support I think Ukraine will win eventually.

But that's a big if. As Russia gets closer to collapse they will make noises about peace and cease fires and try to hold what they have, and pushing them off where they are entrenched will be more difficult. Ukraine can do it, given time, and money, and In the short term, military equipment.

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Trump+krim+will+be+russian&ia=web (since ppl here don't know how to search on internet apparently)

Sorry where are you getting your news?

Ukraine is a battlefield , western olicharchy vs eastern oligarchy is the players and Ukraine will never win. And I don't believe western olicharchy is going to either , seems Russia is getting better deal than they suggested themselves before the US via EU denied any peacetalks back in 22.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That goes back to my earlier assertion that the trump administration is shot through with Russian propaganda and direct plants.

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So Ukraine is winning while trump is in power and Russia gets what it wants (and then some)?