Socialism
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of "ML" (read: Dengist) influence. This is a place for undogmatic and constructive discussion from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
A certain knowledge of socialism is expected, if you are new to/interested in socialism, please visit c/Socialism101 before participating here. Socialism101 will gladly help you by answering questions, providing resources etc.
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Rules
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith discussion is enforced here.
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such,
as well as condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavour.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" (read: Dengist) (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
(if you are reading the rules to apply for modding this community, mention "Xenial Xerus" when answering question 2)
6. Don't idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
7. Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
- Ableism
- Classism
- Rape or assault
- Genocide/ethnic cleansing or (mass) deportations
- Fascism
- (National) chauvinism
- Orientalism
- Colonialism or Imperialism (and their neo- counterparts)
- Zionism
- Religious fundamentalism of any kind
(This is not a definitive list, the spirit of the other rules still counts! Eventual duplicates with other rules are for emphasis.)
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Never made that argument, but cool story. My point is: if you chose to buy a sugar drink don't blame food deserts, the weather, the government, or Jupiter for your access to healthy food. Even when you have access you don't choose it, so that's obviously not the problem.
Jesus you are thick of skull.
A person who doesn't have access to good tap water and may not have anything but small convenience stores near him doesn't necessarily have access to actual regular water, because that's not a good product for small convenience stores to have, as the profit margins are too small.
You don't understand commerce, you don't understand business, you don't understand economy, hell, you don't even understand English.
You can have your childish tantrum all you want but everyone here knows you're utterly wrong, even you.
I know you don't understand English, but once again, no-one is blaming anyone or excusing anything. Because I, a person who has never been in the US, is just talking about a societal phenomena that's pretty promo prominent in, but not limited to, the US.
Oh sorry, that's me "writing an essay" again and you won't be able to keep up. :((((
Sure, convenience stores don't have water... Tell me the one about Cinderella next.
Lots of them do not stack plain bottled water. You may get vitamin waters and fizzy sugar free "health drinks", but yes, convenience stores are limited in size and in capitalism, convenience stores are not for charity. The better the profit the more likely you are to stack that product.
Coke is profitable, bottled water less so. It's common enough nowadays, but like I showed you, your ideas of what sort is sold and at what prices are downright schizophrenic.
Remember when you cried that no 1e bottles exist? But I showed you that even my nearest store here in Finland, which again, Finland = Not the place with food deserts.
Yep, the famous convenience store without water. Totally real and not made up.
"Made up"? Like how you're making up stuff and even when I prove with extensive source how wrong you are, you won't accept even making the tiniest mistake.
You basically pretend food deserts don't exist, that it's just choice that's making it seem like people don't have access to supermarkets? You know, so they have to go to. convenience stores and kiosks to get overpriced products.
Just like 1e 0.5l bottles exist, unlike you claim (that such a thing doesn't exist), and just like how the price does include the deposit, unlike you said.
Convenience stores have extremely limited selections and PLAIN WATER IS NOT REALLY TOO PROFITABLE.
I've met dogs who we're easier to teach, lol
Yes, water, the most abundant nutrient with basically zero source cost, is not profitable. But if you add 30% sugar and a bunch of other stuff, it is profitable. Do you also sell bridges?
Oh so now you're just arguing against capitalism.
Wow, so you just never get bored of being humiliated?
Literally everything you've said has been proved wrong and you still desire more humiliation.
"Things are overpriced in capitalism and selling people sugar isn't healthy :///"
Wow, what are you, 12?
Literally you just keep coming here to prove wrong. You said there are no shops with 1e bottles. Wrong, you said food deserts don't exist. Etc etc etc etc.
Bro just tuck your tail and run. This is pathetic.
I like capitalism better than any other system I tried. Water is super profitable and thus carried in convenience stores.
Gold is the most universal substance and everywhere around us, you just need to pick it up and go sell it to be a millionaire.
Oh wait, reality doesn't change based on what we say, like your schizophrenia makes you think?
So to recap you argue that people aren't choosing the thing you argued costs 25c for a 1.5l bottle? Which is patently untrue, because deposit is part of the price. ;>
Here, look at the image you've pretended to not notice.
Or can you not do basic arithmetic either? :D
And then you argue that convenience stores carry this 25c water, (which they don't), but that it's "super profitable"? Just how insane are you? Honestly, I'm very worried. Where do you live so I can report your problems to the healthcare / social workers where you live?
Then you argue that 1e bottles don't exist. Again, purely schizophrenic when you've been shown this image a bunch of times:
Not to mention me repeatedly telling you I DON'T EVEN LIVE IN A FOOD DESERT, the things your schizo brain is telling you don't exist. :D
You're hilarious, although I do worry for you.
If you get it back, it's not part of the price. It's a deposit.
You're so fucking sad.
Everyone can see what an idiot you're making of yourself, but you're still letting your childish ego rule you? :D what are you, 8?
Youre just plain wrong but you're so mad your will never be able to admit to it. I've seen this exact behaviour from thousands of kids along the decades.
You'll stop even addressing the things you've said, because you realise what a moron you've been.
The one thing you can't do is stop posting. It's honestly pretty ludicrous.
No matter what schizophrenic shit you post you still pretend like you aren't completely woo-woo?
"Water is hightly profitable, although you can buy it for 25c even though that doesn't even cover the deposit"
"You don't need to pay a deposit because you get it back. So the price of a drink which includes the deposit doesn't actually include the deposit. It doesn't! A drink including the price of the deposit in the price doesn't have the deposit in there price!"
Seriously, I want to get you professsional help. Where do you live?
You can't so basic match can't you? What is the amount of money you need to give to get these products for yourself from the store? (that's something known as "the price". I know your English sucks. So if you give me your address, i van mail you a dictionary and call you help for your mental distress.
Talking about PRICE why did you laugh at the idea of a water bottle costing 1e? Either you can't read and youre schizophrenic... OR You were wrong. But you'll never be man enough to admit to that lol.