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1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith discussion is enforced here.
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The only dangerous minority is the rich.
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Not only I live in a first world country, I emigrated my ass twice. I think people are lazy and look for excuses for their bad decisions (like buying a drink with 30% sugar when water is available two steps away).
Water in bottles in America is often as expensive as soft drinks. And Yeah many places the Water is not good to Drink from the faucet..
So by you own admission there is literally no downside to grab a water and you still choose the unhealthy option. And the same logic is probably applied everywhere.
You dont get it Do you? If you have no money cant buy good food you have to buy stuff that makes Life better.. And suggar gives the Illusion that Life is better.. You Sound very Privileged.. But ive seen you ignore facts so i assume you wont see the side of people with Low income where you can not buy healthy food
Also not just do we need to account for the psychology, which he isn't doing, but also, a lot of the times soft drinks in multipacks can actually be cheaper than bottled water. Not often, but I've definitely seen it even in Finland (and our tap water is great) where a bottle of water would be around 1e but some offer makes it so that you can buy a sixpack of coke cans for 3e, making it cheaper by volume.
I'm not saying the prices should be the determining factor, but I think most of us know that for anyone who even knows what "paycheck to paycheck" means, it too often is the most crucial factor in determining purchases.
Which water is 1€, Fiji? Buy supermarket brand water for 0.25€ for a 1.5L, or drink tap water. 6 cans of coke for 3 euros is 1.5€ per liter. Your math isn't mathing. On top of everything, if you really want coke, bottles are always cheaper than cans.
I was poor longer than half my life. If I used my money to buy sugar drinks, I didn't blame my lack of money for my bad nutrition.
You are a stubborn idiot.
Why do you pretend food deserts don't exist, when they every clearly do?
Is it that much of a hit to your childish ego? Kinda pitiful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Do you have trouble understanding the words? I can translate if you tell me your native language. Clearly it's not English.
Never claimed that, just said that if you buy sugar drinks instead of water, don't blame your lack of nutrition or health on being poor, food deserts, George Soros, space lasers or the military industrial complex.
"what's an implication"
You've outright argued that people living in food deserts are JUST MAKING BAD CHOICES instead of NOT HAVING CHOICES AVAILABLE TO THEM.
I've met dogs who understand English better than you
They have choices: water.
Oooh, wittle trollito is having a tantrum. How sweet!
Tantrum?
Oh, you've slipped into the "I'm super ashamed but not yet quitting, so I'm just gonna pretend that these one word replies aren't because I'm fuming about what a moron I've been"
Yes, babby, your tantrum. Do you need a dictionary?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Dipshit :D
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Gold is the most universal substance and everywhere around us, you just need to pick it up and go sell it to be a millionaire.
Oh wait, reality doesn't change based on what we say, like your schizophrenia makes you think?
So to recap you argue that people aren't choosing the thing you argued costs 25c for a 1.5l bottle? Which is patently untrue, because deposit is part of the price. ;>
Here, look at the image you've pretended to not notice.
Or can you not do basic arithmetic either? :D
And then you argue that convenience stores carry this 25c water, (which they don't), but that it's "super profitable"? Just how insane are you? Honestly, I'm very worried. Where do you live so I can report your problems to the healthcare / social workers where you live?
Then you argue that 1e bottles don't exist. Again, purely schizophrenic when you've been shown this image a bunch of times:
Not to mention me repeatedly telling you I DON'T EVEN LIVE IN A FOOD DESERT, the things your schizo brain is telling you don't exist. :D
You're hilarious, although I do worry for you.
Spam?
You're so fucking sad.
Everyone can see what an idiot you're making of yourself, but you're still letting your childish ego rule you? :D what are you, 8?
Youre just plain wrong but you're so mad your will never be able to admit to it. I've seen this exact behaviour from thousands of kids along the decades.
You'll stop even addressing the things you've said, because you realise what a moron you've been.
The one thing you can't do is stop posting. It's honestly pretty ludicrous.
No matter what schizophrenic shit you post you still pretend like you aren't completely woo-woo?
"Water is hightly profitable, although you can buy it for 25c even though that doesn't even cover the deposit"
"You don't need to pay a deposit because you get it back. So the price of a drink which includes the deposit doesn't actually include the deposit. It doesn't! A drink including the price of the deposit in the price doesn't have the deposit in there price!"
Seriously, I want to get you professsional help. Where do you live?
You can't so basic match can't you? What is the amount of money you need to give to get these products for yourself from the store? (that's something known as "the price". I know your English sucks. So if you give me your address, i van mail you a dictionary and call you help for your mental distress.
Talking about PRICE why did you laugh at the idea of a water bottle costing 1e? Either you can't read and youre schizophrenic... OR You were wrong. But you'll never be man enough to admit to that lol.
So you don't think food deserts in the US are a real thing? Notice how I'm not American. So how is anyone "excusing their behaviour"? That would mean that either I'd be explaining something about my own life or that I'd be one of those people in the food deserts.
Neither is happening.
Probably easy yo emigrate after you got to save up money on easy mode in some developing country where you can still make bank depending on where you work (but on the internet you can work in first world countries without leaving your home), save up and then set yourself up for success.
It's easy if someone gives you the resources to actually utilise the best options.
But the best options are usually the most expensive ones. Like buying a bus ticket for a year. No problem for someone even a tad wealthier, but someone who's paying rent and living from paycheck to paycheck..?
Nah.
Basically you're one of those people who think poverty is completely avoidable as long as you try hard enough.
The libertarian clows who I've heard that from always seem to fail to explain why young Asian girls don't rule the world since it's just about working hard.
First time I emigrated was from a communist country where emigrating was illegal, and food was rationed. So tell me more about this easy mode.
So you missed the parts where I ask if you doubt the food desert thing being an actual thing, the part where I point out how I'm not excusing anything by talking about food deserts in a country I don't even live in.
And you want to make it a dick measuring contest.
This is why people don't like you, I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_deserts_in_the_United_States
You're essentially blaming at least 40 or so million people to just be making bad choices. As if they could choose to live in crippling poverty under capitalism, and just make the wrong choice?
Just because you had the room and resources to make sources, doesn't mean people can suddenly do whatever themselves. Do you know what you don't need to consider when you've decided to leave a country for good, especially when your escaping illegally? Well you get to pretty magically skip all the bureaucracy which would've worn you down before putting you in a low income low supermarket access and just wearing you down over years.
But no yeah tell me again how Asian teenage girls are our overlords, because "hard work makes you rich"?
People like me just fine, my work is in fact based on it. I don't bullshit anyone tho, if someone fucks up I tell it like I see it. The customers I work with appreciate the lack of sugarcoating. Like choosing buying sugar water and complaining about access to healthy nutrition later.
So again, just straight up denying / ignoring the issues? No-one should ever bring any problem to the notice of others?
What sort of a sad world did your live in where the concept of people's helping each other is so alien to you?
Once again, I don't live in the US. I don't suffer fro food deserts. But they definitely are a thing. You're just pretending like everyone really has a choice. I'm trying to point out they don't. With facts. Which you just choose to ignore.
Yeah, it's easy making it in this world if you're a obsessively selfish person who never considers others or what is good and what isn't. Ludicrously easy.
But I like to challenge myself, so I'm doing this run with morals enabled.
I hope you understand that 37% more expensive groceries really does affect a person and their resources.
Simplify it a bit mire, yeah, I know it's the only way you can even remotely attack the argument. By simplifying it to the point that you can just pretend it's about bad personal choices. Well, you see, that's what the kids call "a strawman".
I think I need to find the meme with the bike, bros out here putting a bar in the wheel by buying drinks with 30% sugar content instead of water, then whining about health when they fall on the ground.
And then justifying it by coming up with 7 unrelated topics and talking about morals and what not.