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It depends also who you are. That person in the comic saying he’s nice is a guy and not the of the group of people(women) that are so aggressively disrespected. How would he know?
It also falls into the “decorum” sphere. Someone who isn’t yelling while they’re throwing your rights in the garbage is not nice. Someone opening the gas chamber door for you is not nice. Surface level means nothing and it has always meant nothing but it takes a lot of energy for the vast majority of people to be thinking deeper than that all the time so they fall back on easy, high-level observations.
Now, I won’t say someone can’t be turned around. Many are pretty far gone, though, and it’s not their victims’ job to be nice and supportive to their oppressors. So yes, they might just be humans but the warning given above needs to be more of a “he’s kinda a misogynist right now but I’ve been working on him and he’s getting better. Let me know if you’re uncomfortable at any point though and I’ll take care of it.”
My friend told me once about how people in cults have a sunk-cost fallacy to the cult's beliefs that makes it harder to get them out the longer they've been in.
People are more likely to double down on their beliefs when proven wrong because they'd have to admit that they were wrong and so were all the things that they did following those beliefs. And nobody likes to admit when they're wrong, because nobody wants to believe that they're the bad guy.
I have my thoughts on this, mainly that there’s a point where even very stubborn people need admit defeat and turn things around. That point is usually where, in defence of their shitty opinion, they are asked to do something that crosses a line. And yet for so many conservatives we keep hoping the line is crossed and keep learning just how little they care about other people.
I’m not entirely sure how connected it is to my original comment, but I can sorta see the relation?
The Republican party is a cult - especially the cult of Trump. All these grifters selling hate to conservatives have made it that much harder to convince them when they're wrong, and the odds of them doubling down on those beliefs when they are challenged get more and more likely the deeper in they are. There's a point where it becomes almost impossible to pull people out of a cult and there's largely no line that they won't convince themselves that it's okay to cross.
I think that's where we're at and have been at for quite a while. Republicans convince themselves that they're the good guys fighting the good fight against whatever the party tells them is bad, and believe that their bigotry and hate is justified.
Yea but, you know the “are we the baddies skit”? That’s a guy who’s super deep into the SS and whose line is still intact enough to see all the skulls and shit and go “hey, wait, this all seems a little off maybe I’ll ask someone.”
I know some people who can be brought back simply because their leader does something they cannot ignore, and they can’t ignore it because there is no way to spin what’s being done that wouldn’t make someone with even half a functioning brain take a step back. Which is where I get into a weird place that I don’t love and that’s wondering just how stupid these literal billions of people around the world are. They’re barely more than animals the way they act, and that goes for all of them, from the US, to Africa, to Asia, and to Europe. The only line that can be crossed is direct, personal harm and they will still justify it for far too long.