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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Thanks, Uncommitted Assholes.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I voted Uncommitted in the primary so that Biden and the Democrats would get a count of how many people took the issue seriously. Primaries are a great place for message votes.

I also donated, volunteered, and voted for the Biden and then Harris campaigns, and didn't hold back any support in public. I had no illusions about how bad it would (now will) be with Trump in the Whitehouse.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I loved having people arguing with me and saying "At least my conscience is clear."

How's your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Feeling very good about my decision, yes.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Yes, thank you for teaching the lesson that you should not support genocide.

Now we get to see who has learned from this snd who is going to double down despite losing.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

the donors of the Democrats/Republicans are doing a good job keeping the citizens divided and pointing fingers at each other

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago

Don't leave out the Harris campaign with the Cheneys and the DNC

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a +6 points gain. Those votes were entirely up for grabs. That's the fault of the campaign's calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with having the most lethal Military and unwaivering support for Israel a year into this genocide. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election. Biden is a Christian Zionist, the genocide and de juro annexation of Palestine is exactly what he wants.

I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It's still on the campaign to earn votes to win. If they took this election seriously, they would have been going after those votes. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

The United States Administration is the one enabling Israel unconditionally. Support for this genocide is bipartisan.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Wasn't the uncommitted movement some 100,000 people strong?

Didn't Harris lose by millions?

How would have the uncommitteds saved the election if their numbers represented a fraction of what Democrats needed?

Could a more likely explanation of this deplorable outcome be that Democrats did this to themselves by not rallying up their base enough to bring more people out to vote?

Stop blaming the American people.