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that'd be a degoogled android, yes.
Not one of the two, but each to their own.
literally one of the two, and a way to actually make it a lesser evil instead of "just like the other one".
Degoogled android is not one of Apple and Google
android is Google. degoogled android is modified Google, as i said.
So in an apple enthusiast community, you're pitching degoogled android?
you asked. more accurately you said apple was better, and i told you what is actually better.
Nice edit. Nah, I didn't ask anything mate
i don't speak english natively. yes, i usually edit my posts for clarity.
Probably for the best because “You literally asked” has a very specific meaning, which was entirely incorrect here.
hence why i edited it?
To change the goalposts yeah? I make a flippant comment about one approach to data harvesting being more exhaustive than another and you eventually say “yeah but not degoogled Android”? Nobody was talking about that. As I say, each to their own, I’m sure degoogled Android is great for the comparatively few that use it, but the initial post I replied to just specified Android. Of the two companies - Google and Apple - I know which one I’m more likely to trust with my data.
This comment was reported but I didn't remove it because I think it's quite mild, but this line is unnecessary:
Please refrain from personal attacks.
Okay mate 😂
Not once have I questioned the viability of a degoogled android device.
This is literally an apple enthusiast community. I'm not sure what you're expecting, or are you just here to troll with the last statement?
i'm still standing firmly on the goalpost that apple isn't any more private than google.
As well as the degoogled Android goalpost, I know.
It’s all choice at the end of the day, isn’t it. I choose Apple for a variety of reasons, and they’ve championed privacy regularly in recent years. Whether we choose to believe the claims, well that’s up to the consumer isn’t it. One thing’s for sure, Google definitely don’t make the same claims.
google is definitely making privacy claims yes. shit, even meta claims their apps are private, esp whatsapp.
“The same claims”
do their marketing have to be exactly the same as apple's for my point to have validity?
No but it seems like being deliberately obtuse is necessary for your point to have validity.
is that why you are being this annoying?
Thought I’d match your vibe
then you should start saying things that are actually true? or not believing corporate propaganda at face value?
Have I said anything that’s untrue? Or am I just obliged to agree with you? You dismissed Clent’s comment because “Apple’s claims are irrelevant”, so even if they were doing exactly what they say, you wouldn’t accept it. There’s literally no point to this conversation beyond drawing out a disagreement where neither person can categorically be proven correct.
you claimed there is a lesser of two evils between stock apple and google phones, and implied throughout the conversation that apple is the better one. both claims are untrue.
the other commenter you allude to claimed iphones are not closed source, which is really untrue.
It's not untrue, it's that you believe it's untrue.
Unless of course you're able to prove that Apple and Google are currently the same with respect to the data they harvest.
both systems are opaque. we have no reliable way of knowing beyond the encrypted data we see coming out of them, and both do it very similarly. hence both are the same, as far as an objective observer can tell.
which is why your claim that its better is untrue. it's about your beliefs, because you can't really point to anything significant that apple does better for privacy, else you would have mentioned it.
It doesn't exist because I haven't mentioned it? 😂
I'm not here to do your research for you.
so, you don't actually have any facts to defend your untruthful claims?
i mean of course you don't. as i mentioned both systems are opaque.
😂 by the very nature of your own point regarding their opacity, you can't defend your claim that what I've said is untrue.
You can't say "we don't know, so you're wrong".
Well, maybe you can, but as I say, you have to be obtuse to do it.
no, i did not in fact say this, talk about being obtuse.
you don't actually know of any fact at all to support your claims do you?
heading out, have a nice day. 😘
Yes you did, you said both systems are opaque so I can't have "facts" for you.
So equally, you don't have any to back up your claims either. In fact you went so far as to dismiss a comment by another user where you stated that you're ignoring Apple's claims because they can't prove it because their code is closed. So what's the point?
If the facts someone presents to you can be dismissed by you because you refuse to believe it, then me echoing them won't make any difference will it?
And yet you can happily claim the opposite and say what I'm saying is untrue, with equally as few facts.
You want me to prove my claim that Apple harvests less data, but you haven't got any proof of your claim that they collect the same as Google. All while saying that because the system is opaque that it can't be proved.
This entire conversation is absurd.