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China has a pretty tight grip on the news and media people get to see from there. I'd take that with a grain of salt.
A better example would be europe
the Great Firewall's intended function is not to restrict Chinese news and media from reaching you, but to keep out those reactionaries who often say "a better example would be europe" to everything they see
It does go both ways. Even for super old stuff. One recent example was blatantly obvious when people tried asking deepseek r2 about tiananmen square
Maybe ask it about the June 4th incident.
Westoids man.
"I'm sorry, but I can't comply with this request"
Ye, your jailbreak worked great
Stop using llms as magic mirrors pls
Contrary to popular belief, those things are not truth machines
It was just an example. Read the convo plz
That's not really the network firewall I was referring to, but if having a major competitor is the main thing keeping open-source AI vibrant, stopping all LLMs from having a violent-but-civil western tech bro viewpoint, then bring it on!! We had no good reasoning models to use before, but now you can roll your own with whatever ideology or bias you want, thanks to China.
Make your own? Yours would have to be a bit smaller tho.
The Netherlands is building one too!
Europe has no independent media of any significance. Only corporate media run for profit and therefore advertizers and CEOs.
bnnvara?
Just the first one that comes to mind, there's a tonne of 'm. I like their show "boos"
Someone get the Parenti quote
The Iranian government has a million times stronger internet filter and news somehow propagates in the middle of a blackout, you somehow think a nation of 1.4 billion people can keep shit under wrap?
Spend some time thinking it's free
They recently announced they invented a time machine. China hasn't been trough a brain drain that bad. In the end, competence matters a lot
Imagine thinking they are one entity with no individual differences. Stop being wh*te for a second and think for yourself. Inshallah we will find a cure for your sickness one day.
Such an announcement doesn't just go trough the many people working in the chain of information that a government runs. It presents a bigger problem than just a few people in the wrong place.
I understand communication from government institutions can be difficult to comprehend. Fortunately for my personal situation, this is independent from my natural complexion. Hopefully you eventually acquire the necessary capabilities yourself
Do you need that monosyllabicly?
what is bro possibly referring to 🙏💔💔💔
Lol @ Europe doesn't have a tight grip on news and media.
And yes I know thay Europe is a lot of countries with varying policies.
Ye that was my point, I may have misunderstood the meme then
What was your point? How did you understand the meme?
My point was that I think it's hilarous to claim that there isn't heavy state censorship of media in Europe.
There is mandatory content moderation. Certain parties that stand to benefit from spreading disinformation call this censorship. And I see how this could be a slippery slope into cencorship.
But as of currently, I don't see any major censorship going on here. But you should easily be able to prove me wrong: give me a thing I can find on a vpn that I can't normally.
Content moderation where?
Who decides what counts as disinformation that should be censored? Most EU governments think they are the arbiters of this, and do so to protect the class interests of the capitalists which are their constituents. The definitions of questionable content change constantly as it's about defending the status quo, not combatting "fake news."
Relatively recently Germany has blocked Russian and Iranian media with DNS blockers (even before the start of Russian involvement in the war in Ukraine). Easy enough to circumvent if you know what you're doing, but most people don't.
Left leaning media like Junge Welt are on the surveillance list of the German constitutional protection agency, which makes operating normally extremely difficult. Nobody wants to work with them because they don't want to be put on watch lists as well.
Austria and the UK are detaining journalists for daring to challenge the government narrative. Ukraine banned all non-state-sanctioned media pre-Russian invasion.
Ey, this argument was came up in the eu parlement just bit a go! It's the slippery slope fallacy by the way. I wish the world was perfect and had no nuance. But in the end their job is to figute out how to do things right.
So that's your answer in a way I suppose. They decide
Again I don't understand what you're trying to say.
You think too simply of the way the world works. There has to be someone protecting information in the news and online. Otherwise bad actors will spread their disinformation and make people believe ridiculous stuff.
That someone that protects has a difficult but important job. That someone is not one person. It's people delegated by the european parlement.
I can dumb it down a bit more if you need. But it might not be as accurate anymore
So when Europe does this it's fine but when China does it it's not good?
Europe isn't known for hiding a tiananman square or arresting journalists
yes 1.5 billion chinese don't know their own recent history despite thousands of Beijingers being present around the protests (and thousands of out-of-town soldiers) and Li Peng meeting with the protesters on live TV. Of course. We whites are just much more enlightened and aware of the goings-on in the world, eh? The Chinese government has declassified documents related to the clearing of the square https://www.gov.cn/zwgk/2011-11/09/content_1989024.htm and released them in Chinese but nobody in China knows that Chinese website exists, thankfully there's europeans who know where to find it to spread the truth.
Hey quick question, have you ever heard of the Spartacist uprising?
Wasn't that like, pre ww1? It's not being hidden like stuff is on baidu in china
Love the angle of the dutch guy who stans for state-funded dutch media but also somehow routinely goes on RT and reads Baidu in Chinese. Give it a rest lol.
Now who's living under a rock? Ali Abunimah was arrested in Switzerland after getting lawfully into the country.
Asa Winstansley in the UK in 2024. Richard Medhurst in 2024 and again in Vienna 2025.
Now link to journalists being arrested in China since you're so confident. And, please, actual journalists. Not this guy https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dpv6yqqvgo
I don't know that guy either. But thanks for helping me out. What's the goalpost here?
Germany has made it illegal to be vocally against Palestinian genocide, and last I heard was considering requiring immigrants to pledge loyalty to pissrael. That's like a parody of Scary Communist Badguy Country.
There wasn't much consideration. Part of the citizenship application process includes a statement the applicant has to sign which says something along the lines of "Israel's existence is part of German national security and it has a right to exist."
The new government may go even further though, by revoking the German citizenship of dual nationals who are affiliated with "anti-semitic, terrorist, or extremist" groups. No legal definition for those categories is forthcoming.
I think the degree of control has been greatly exaggerated by a news media apparatus incentivized to demonize its geopolitical rivals.
You might be right. I'm not sure what parties would benefit from that. But I do think it is an ongoing issue
Which is fucking hilarious, when you think about it: we are the ones who have filtered media. They speak from a script approved by the billionaires.
It will never fail to amaze me how you can prove to an American that all mainstream media is owned by CORPO and they accept that but they can't rub two brain cells together and extrapolate how CORPO would want to control the narrative.
Hasn't it been almost a decade since smaller media outlets there all but died out? If you don't have much other information available for you to consume, you're not going to learn much or have any 2's to put 2 and 2 together
Any American who wishes to know what is really going on must do a very deep dive into many rabbit holes to find what they are looking for. I started questioning the narrative at about 3o years old, which was about 30 years ago. I asked everyone "how does one learn the truth?" no one I knew could answer that. I would watch the news and be so confused all the time. I read a lot of books in my life from Dickens to Salinger etc, every classic I could get my hands on, I read, and I think that helped some. And I traveled to other countries when someone else would pay for it, which also helped a little bit. but it wasn't until I found people like Lee Camp (who was on R.T. when I first found him) and he led me to Richard D. Wolff who led me to Chris Hedges. I now primarily listen to Richard Wolff and Chris Hedges-- and thereby get all my truth. But look how long it took to find them! I was a liberal up until I found Wolff. Which was about 2015. I also listen to Sam Vaknin on occasion. I refuse to listen to mainstream media but every liberal I know is absolutely engrossed in the cult of personality in which they sit around watching late night comedians while texting their friends about the comedian's words and they think that this is being involved. And when someone like me who has been listening to Richard Wolff for a few years (he's a Marxist economist if you have not heard of him) actually knows what is going on in the world and tries to have a conversation with one of these people (like my sister or brother or any of their friends) about current events I am told I am insane, stupid, don't know what I am talking about and should just shut up.They refuse to listen. If it wasn't said by their favorite political comedian or their favorite news anchor or People Magazine they refuse to hear it. Because to have a different opinion than those outlets would get them thrown out of their 'friends' groups. And that friend group is all they have, people who sit around eating chips, texting each other while watching TV -- that's all they have.