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I don't really remember Obama as spineless lol what is he spineless about?
Look he's a politician they suck but acting like Obama wasn't one of the best presidents we had in like 40 years is silly.
Remember how he ran on hope and change? How he presented himself as a progressive? Then how he failed to close Guantanamo, never even tried to codify abortion rights, didn't bother prosecuting the Bush administration for their war crimes, did a bunch of war crimes himself, and expanded the surveillance state? Because I do.
And like the other commenter said, he completely capitulated to the Republicans when they invented some bullshit about how outgoing presidents aren't supposed to appoint justices or whatever.
Obama personally promised me that he'd close Guantanamo, when I was a kid at one of his campaign rallies. He straight-up lied to me and didn't close Gitmo.
Did you not follow the entire Obama-era policy on Gitmo?
It was attempted to be closed, multiple times.
And he accepted an award for transparency in a "closed" meeting so attendees wouldn't have to sign in.
Killed two Americans in Pakistan with no due process.
Expanded the wars to six nations.
Then he had the gall to go on 60 Minutes and say that 20 years earlier he would have been considered a republican. Hated that shit.
I think what you call spineless I'd consider being a decent politician in an indecent politician sphere
Obama isn't without criticism but calling him a war criminal is a bit of an eye roll in my opinion. It's usually about the drone warfare stuff and it is a drum the Republicans banged his entire presidency claiming he was drone striking everything possible. The truth is drone tech advanced in his presidency that allowed different missions to take place that removed soldiers from harms way, you'd probably make the same choice. It wasn't even his war, say we should've pulled out sure but look how poorly things are going now that we have. The war crimes he's accused of are dogpoop compared to the human rights issue that exists now. I'm sorry, I don't think it is the greatest things anyone has done but I just find the Obama is a war criminal argument so silly. Our entire government is a war criminal, this dude was not a warmonger nor did he do anything to escalate fighting. How you gonna dump it all on him?
Prosecuting Bush. For what? War crimes again? Our government has been doing war crimes forever. Every single person in that federal government should be charged. But Obama isn't going to arrest Bush because nothing would've come of it and again, on what exactly? Every judge, lawyer and politician wouldn't support that or respect whatever exactly the war crime was. So why pursue that? So redditors and Facebook dads have less shit to throw?
I'm not saying Obama is the best. Absolutely do not try to act like I have to be completely black or white about very complex issues. You will not put that on me.
But acting like Obama is the boogie man is literally because Republicans and the like have sold that messaging. Obama is a mid politician, I don't think he relishes in human suffering but he seems okay with a degree of it. But he was easily better than Trump, Biden, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, the Nixon baboons, Kennedy and Eisenhower. Carter is the only one who is a better man by a landslide but still not the best politician because he was also "spineless". People only liked Kennedy because he was a liberal who was assassinated. You wanna talk about war crimes? Look up Nixon/Kennedy era.
So yes. Obama is easily without contest best president of my lifetime and over the last 60 or 70 years.
Be real about this stuff.
Are you seriously saying since other people commited war-crimes, that Obama's war-crimes are no big deal?
I'm gonna hard disagree on this one: Bombing children is always a big deal. He didn't "remove soldiers from harms way", he deliberately put them there. And for what? Mostly, to help his friends make a whole lotta money.
Just because the Republicans are a horrid party does not mean that they are wrong about Obama being a monster. Both can be true at the same time.
Bad things in the past don’t justify future bad actions. Using that exact same logic it can be argued that opening a concentration camp in Florida is totally good and cool because we had Japanese concentration camps before. That’s fucking stupid and you know it.
A lot of these people would call Jesus a centrist. Their mythical ideal progressive will never exist.
This is why I love Lemmy. On reddit accurate criticisms of Obama would be downvoted into oblivion.
Supreme Court Justices among other things.
Bailouts, not ending the wars, gave up his SCOTUS pick without even the slightest hint of a fight.
Goldman nutsSachs