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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Well when men keep hearing “don’t approach us”, we shouldn’t be shocked when men don’t approach people.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SomGye@dormi.zone -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Step 2 - don't be unattractive.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm at 0/2 so far are there any more steps?

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

At the same time, lots of men are really shitty when they "approach" women.

"Don't approach us" is a response to men's behaviour, not the other way around.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So yeah don't approach women, got it.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Very incel-y, but sure.

Or, you could take it as a statement with the subtext that it clearly has, which is "dont approach us if youre going to be an asshole."

If you would rather stew in bitterness than adjust to the above, the first option is likely better for everyone.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if women meant that they would say it instead of "never approach women"

Blaming men for listening to women is some new level of crazy

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your inability to understand nuance might be part of the problem. Having to explain every single exception spelled out literally takes too long to get the guy acting creepy away from them.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You haven't explained anything, you just keep shitting out the same response hoping you'll shame me into going away.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, because you're drowning in self-pity instead of understanding that men are the problem in the vast majority of cases. You're bitching around instead, that's typical incel behavior.

You can go up to a woman and flirt with her - just don't be an asshole and accept a "no" without crying or further harassing her ;) It's really not hard. Most appreciate it.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cry me a river. I've never heard a women say "don't approach me", but I've heard many say "don't be a douche" and "stop thinking you're a fucking victim".

[–] aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You already forgot the bear in the woods?

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Apparently you already forgot their reasoning behind it. A bear is a known quantity. Humans can lie to gain your trust, then turn on you. They weren't saying all men are bad, they were saying that meeting a stand man alone in the woods - you have no idea how this person will act.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that yall are still this mad about this just proves that the entire point behind the thought experiment is right.

[–] newfie@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The bear metaphor was obviously thinly veiled racism/xenophobia from the start. Lots of conservative/moderate women who are terrified of anyone who isn't white or who is "illegal"

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's...just no. Wtf? No.

Source: I've actually listened to women, in person, describe their reasoning, instead of making up my own justification for something like the incel community decided to do.

[–] newfie@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The goal was to increase fear of the "other" - which is a classic right wing tactic.

The bear meme was a conservative astroturfed campaign to push people right - which is why it appeared shortly before the 2024 US elections

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] newfie@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No it isn't, it's literally what astroturfing is and how public relations campaigns are run. I know people who literally do shit like this for a living

Doesn't mean the original meme was created by an agency necessarily, but it certainly was boosted and amplified by conservatives to spark anger against PoCs/immigrants, and to build intergender resentment amongst men. Which worked wonderfully for Trump, as is evidenced by his strong performance with Gen Z men

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, the uniformed idiotic women hating fake rationalization you can see continuing throughout this very thread may have been spread to the Andrew Tate following incel crowd to further stoke their anger. But that's them capitalizing on their gullibility and refusal to speak to actual women about why they feel that way.

You probably said this thing was STARTED as a racist othering campaign. That's very different from someone trying to CHANGE an already existing narrative to suit their own ends. And none of those narratives were ever about race, it was always a gender thing.

[–] newfie@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you asked people to describe the skin color of the "man", i very much doubt most of them were thinking of a white man.

A white male Connecticut suburbanite isn't what is being thought of in their minds eye - it's a "thug" or an "illegal". Because the meme is racist, and anti-male sentiments manifest via violence against black and brown men

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

You do realize you just admitted to this being an assumption on your part, right? This is YOUR racism projecting onto this whole thing.

The fear of sexual assault that women share is not limited by skin color. They're not feeling at ease walking to their cars in a parking garage just because the man they see is white.

Seriously, do you even talk to women?

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

IDK women are not scared of me. Maybe the problem is you? Maybe you're not the victim you think you are and you're just an ass?

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These guys are forgetting that you were the only man that they would prefer over the bear.

Congratulations

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Geez you incels are stupid. Between victims like you and wannabe "alpha males" who wanna jerk one another, I agree mens are now a bunch of losers who wont ever get laid.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought about it and you're right, you're a victim. Women are bad, just don't approach them and find other dudes likes you to hang out. Good luck.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've been in a loving relationship with my partner for 8 years.

I am trying to help bring perspective to incels like you.

A more equal dating landscape means more equal relationships, and overall that's a good thing in the long run.

Women are still learning that if they tell men to not approach them they need to start asking men out if they want relationships instead of whining on the internet.

No longer can women just sit around and wait for a relationship to fall in their lap, and no amount of rage baiting is going to change that. Grow a spine and ask someone out for a change, according to you it's easy.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wooow, impressive.

I hope you partner enjoys mansplaining lol. Is she aware she's in a "loving relationship" with you? If you paid any attention to this post and the internet in general, you might notice that it's men who are whining all day long, not women lol.

BTW, I actually been married ten years and had plenty of other serious and casual relationship.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There's no pathetic insult you can throw that will stick incel

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

women are not scared of me

So you're a pathetically tiny and weak man let, or you're just unaware of the feelings of women?

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

You're not a man, you're a victim lol. Get use to porn.