invent_the_future

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Reading Jacques Ellul's Propagandas and not enjoying it... Little in the way of examples to showcase what he's talking about and honestly I don't think propaganda is that much of a dense topic that it needs such a structural analysis (it's not that deep bro), but that's on me

Anyone familiar with the book or Ellul in general?

Yeah it completely draws you in, apparently it originally came out by chapters or something in a french periodical, so the OG readers we're invested in it like a modern soap opera

First I'm hearing about this book, really interesting. It doesn't really fit my style but I've got a friend in mind to gift it to, excited to eventually hear their opinion about it

[โ€“] invent_the_future@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All the 'A brief history of' books are stupid, starting with their concept

[โ€“] invent_the_future@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

do you have any idea what happened to redsails? I don't really use twitter so I'm probably missing out on information but I did notice they stopped publishing texts on the website around this time last year

also I'm right there with you, one of my favorite dense philosophy essays is this one: https://redsails.org/maoist-and-daoist-dialectics/, it's not necessarily hard to follow but it introduced whole new notions foreign to me and I'm so grateful for it

[โ€“] invent_the_future@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 7 months ago (5 children)

thanks a lot for the further reading reccomendations, I believe I've read the Nia Froome text but I'll be sure to revisit it

also thought about gifting Blackshirts and Reds before, probably will do it eventually but just as a more personal gift anytime but xmas

I've read that and Black Skin, White Masks and really loved Fanon's quite incendiary thought, a real radical but with so much human compassion. Hopefully you'll like him as well, ComradeSharkfucker...

 

hello beautiful people, I've read Parenti's Inventing Reality and have in my shelf an unopened copy of Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent (as well as Ellul's Propaganda)

now I love Parenti but don't really care for Chomsky, I was gonna give him a shot but honestly in light of the recent Epstein connections I really cba; also I've skimmed through some of Manufacturing Consent and I can't escape reading it in Chomsky's awful talking cadence, whereas obviously I loved so many passages on Inventing Reality where Parenti's usual eloquent passion shines through so beautifully

so I'm thinking of gifting Manufacturing Consent to my sister for xmas, which is someone quite left-leaning but still very haunted by the scary ghosts of communism; and I feel like the book is way less overtly marxist than Inventing Reality, which might be a good thing in this situation

my questions are then: for those who've read it, am I missing something by not picking up Manufacturing Consent? is it so boring that it's not even an interesting gift?

ty, xoxo

from the scene where we got the "and in this house X is a hero, end of story", very funny, particularly because Tony says Columbus was a brave Italian men and there's some likelihood he wasn't even Italian

[โ€“] invent_the_future@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Honestly I don't know if I liked it or not, I liked the experience of reading it, it's fun particularly out loud as it is very melodic, but I wouldn't read it again, it's densely written. It does present the more Eastern notion of cycles and circles of life and history which I found interesting, but I also found some underlining bigotry in certain passages which was weird.

I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to have a totally new experience reading a book, although I myself didn't approach it like that as I stumbled upon the book by chance and wasn't all that familiar with what awaited me.

[โ€“] invent_the_future@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I just finished Joyce's Finnegan's Wake this week, hardest book I've ever read but the most singular experience I've ever had reading a book