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Meso American civilization did have money in the form of cacao beans though, and they were largely producing for exchange (there was even a merchant strata), arguably to a higher degree than even feudal societies in Europe. Money doesn't have to be slips of paper, it can be just another commodity (for the longest time in the western world those being gold, silver, copper, etc).

It also wasn't communistic in any way unless you subscribe to the belief that communism is when government does stuff. The "giving a bit up to the state" a tributary system that isn't unique to Meso America, it's purpose not being to "distribute according to the need" but crisis management and self-stabilization.

Also, while money as a whole isn't natural, it develops naturally as a necessity for commodity production.

Nah, it'd be more akin to:

1. You contribute labor to produce widgets that belong to social stock from the outset (the widget does not belong to you as private property)

2. You receive labor voucher for your work which is a claim to a specific portion of consumer goods to satisfy your own needs

3. Me, who has a labor voucher from different work walks into a distribution center and takes the widget, and the labor time worth of the widget gets subtracted from my voucher. That portion gets consumed permanently and doesn't go to anyone.

What you described was essentially a scenario where goods were still produced as commodities for exchange (generalized form being capitalism) or where private property still existed. In that case yeah, money remains necessary.

Yeah getting rid of money is tricky if we're talking doing away with commodity production entirely, but as a point of transition to a purely production for use society with no exchange there are ideas of using labor vouchers instead.

It makes sense considering (in a Marxist economic sense) that value is socially necessary labor hours so you're eliminating some of the general glamour that money form provides, avoids concentration given how they're consumed on use, etc, and might be a good in-between step while things are still scarce (though it doesn't abolish value).

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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying if you read my comment while being blackout drunk, with a blindfold on, doubled with an immediate hate boner from my lemmy user name and all the bad faith stemming from it.....

But yeah, the concept that only organized mass action can produce change is so tankie man - what we really need is pointless individual-driven spectacles that have historically been proven to lead nowhere or be actively detrimental to organization attempts that "The Party" has nothing to do with (i.e. independent union organization)!!

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You can burn down Sam Altman's home with him inside, and what happens after? His wealth goes to his family or relatives, the CEO gets replaced in like a week because there's no shortage of them (be it from Linkedin or other positions), your ass goes to spend their entire life in jail, the state now has a narrative to use in order to crack down on organization of present and the future...

But sure, by all means go and become a great man of epic radical resistance who treats the working class as the object of revolution and not the subject.

Doesn't change the fact that it would still hurt organizing in the future, likely on a federal level if the spectacle is used in such a way, and that this shit doesn't weaken capital at all.

Individual action in the absence of a movement isn't "the only option" in a sense that there isn't an option other than to organize, as change can only be achieved through unified mass action. It at best achieves nothing (like with Kirk or Luigi), or at worst fucks the "revolutionary object" (i.e. the working class) over like in the case of Reichstag fire.

"Working class hero" more like a lone adventurist who's completely disconnected from the working class pointlessly throwing their life away (in prison) for a spectacle and possibly fucking over actual working class organization if the state uses it as an excuse to crack down on them (see: Reichstag)

OP got banned from this community for "Bad jacketing and electoralism", and while I aint reading 125 comments to see bad jacketing, including electorialism as a ban reason is wild af.

Regardless if PTB or YDI, I think grass touching might be in order for multiple parties here for taking online politics LARP too seriously. It's a beautiful spring weather, perfect for a walk.

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That's precisely why I've never said that it's all of the posts, but the majority of them. Most posts there talk shit about right-wing of capital (i.e. the police and neoliberalism), are just anarchist larp material (throw molotov i am so cool type shit), or some vague anti-capitalist virtue signalling. These kinds of posts are something that most liberals (especially socdem servile belief in the state types) agree with and subscribe to the community for, and it can easily be observed when the occasional post that happens to disagree or attack them gets posted.

It's the natural outcome of plopping down 20 posts every single day from other websites, most of them are going to be heavily upvoted inoffensive crap that are made to be agreed with and not consistent polemics.