codeinabox

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I’m contending (and/or hoping) that for a software package of arbitrary complexity, there’s a zone of viability in which when priced within reason, it’ll make sense to buy over build, even given the existence of the powerful LLMs that’ve become our daily companions:

 

About 10 years ago, I realized all the best programmers I had worked with had something in common: they were fast. By that I mean that they moved quickly: we’d discuss a problem and an hour or two later they’d already have a patch ready or a prototype to show off.

It took me a while, but eventually I realized: they weren’t fast because they were great programmers, they were great programmers because they were fast.

 

One of the oddest parts of the AI shift is that people are much more willing to do things for LLMs that they should have been doing for human beings all along. Accessibility is clearly an important one: 95% of websites have accessibility flaws, and convincing teams to allocate time for accessibility concerns can be like pulling teeth. But now that similar affordances are required for LLM use, people are leaping over themselves to implement them.

 

The Department of Health and Human Services recently announced a one-year extension of the compliance dates for web content and mobile app accessibility requirements under Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act. The requirements themselves are not new in substance: covered recipients of HHS federal financial assistance must make covered web content and mobile apps conform to WCAG 2.1 Level AA. What changed is the timeline. Recipients with 15 or more employees now have until May 11, 2027, and recipients with fewer than 15 employees now have until May 10, 2028.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago

Good question. I have asked this very question https://programming.dev/post/45013854

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Expensive as hell! 🤑

Yegge describes Gas Town as “expensive as hell… you won’t like Gas Town if you ever have to think, even for a moment, about where money comes from.” He’s on his second Claude account to get around Anthropic’s spending limits.

I can’t find any mention online of the per-account limits, but let’s conservatively assume he’s spending at least $2,000 USD per month, and liberally $5,000.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 27 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I am not surprised that there are parallels between vibe coding and gambling:

With vibe coding, people often report not realizing until hours, weeks, or even months later whether the code produced is any good. They find new bugs or they can’t make simple modifications; the program crashes in unexpected ways. Moreover, the signs of how hard the AI coding agent is working and the quantities of code produced often seem like short-term indicators of productivity. These can trigger the same feelings as the celebratory noises from the multiline slot machine.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev -4 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Where did you get the impression that the author is an inexperienced developer and finance bro? The introduces himself as someone who started programming from the age of eleven.

I’m Michael Arnaldi, Founder and CEO of Effectful Technologies — the company behind Effect, the TypeScript library for building production-grade systems. I’ve been programming most of my life. I started at 11 with the goal of cracking video games. Since then, I’ve written code at every level: from kernel development to the highest abstractions in TypeScript.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 57 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I think the most interesting, and also concerning, point is the eighth point, that people may become busier than ever.

After guiding way too many hobby projects through Claude Code over the past two months, I’m starting to think that most people won’t become unemployed due to AI—they will become busier than ever. Power tools allow more work to be done in less time, and the economy will demand more productivity to match.

Consider the advent of the steam shovel, which allowed humans to dig holes faster than a team using hand shovels. It made existing projects faster and new projects possible. But think about the human operator of the steam shovel. Suddenly, we had a tireless tool that could work 24 hours a day if fueled up and maintained properly, while the human piloting it would need to eat, sleep, and rest.

In fact, we may end up needing new protections for human knowledge workers using these tireless information engines to implement their ideas, much as unions rose as a response to industrial production lines over 100 years ago. Humans need rest, even when machines don’t.

This does sound very much like what Cory Doctorow refers to as a reverse-centaur, where the developer's responsibility becomes overseeing the AI tool.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 12 points 5 months ago (6 children)

This article is quite interesting! There are a few standout quotes for me:

On one hand, we are witnessing the true democratisation of software creation. The barrier to entry has effectively collapsed. For the first time, non-developers aren’t just consumers of software - they are the architects of their own tools.

The democratisation effect is something I've been thinking about myself, as hiring developers or learning to code doesn't come cheap. However, if it allows non-profits to build ideas that can make our world a better place, then that is a good thing.

We’re entering a new era of software development where the goal isn't always longevity. For years, the industry has been obsessed with building "platforms" and "ecosystems," but the tide is shifting toward something more ephemeral. We're moving from SaaS to scratchpads.

A lot of this new software isn't meant to live forever. In fact, it’s the opposite. People are increasingly building tools to solve a single, specific problem exactly once—and then discarding them. It is software as a disposable utility, designed for the immediate "now" rather than the distant "later."

I've not thought about it in this way but this is a really good point. When you make code cheap, it makes it easier to create bespoke short-lived solutions.

The real cost of software isn’t the initial write; it’s the maintenance, the edge cases, the mounting UX debt, and the complexities of data ownership. These "fast" solutions are brittle.

Though, as much as these tools might democratise software development, they still require engineering expertise to be sustainable.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago

I had originally meant to post it here, but I accidentally posted it to a different instance.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 17 points 5 months ago

Thank you! I've added the image to the post as well.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 67 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I use AI coding tools, and I often find them quite useful, but I completely agree with this statement:

And if you think of LLMs as an extra teammate, there's no fun in managing them either. Nurturing the personal growth of an LLM is an obvious waste of time.^___^

At first I found AI coding tools like a junior developer, in that it will keep trying to solve the problem, and never give up or grow frustrated. However, I can't teach an LLM, yes I can give it guard rails and detailed prompts, but it can't learn in the same way a teammate can. It will always require supervision and review of its output. Whereas, I can teach a teammate new or different ways to do things, and over time their skills and knowledge will grow, as will my trust in them.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My understanding of how this relates to Jevons paradox, is because it had been believed that advances in tooling would mean that companies could lower their headcount, because developers would become more efficient, however it has the opposite effect:

Every abstraction layer - from assembly to C to Python to frameworks to low-code - followed the same pattern. Each one was supposed to mean we’d need fewer developers. Each one instead enabled us to build more software.

The meta-point here is that we keep making the same prediction error. Every time we make something more efficient, we predict it will mean less of that thing. But efficiency improvements don’t reduce demand - they reveal latent demand that was previously uneconomic to address. Coal. Computing. Cloud infrastructure. And now, knowledge work.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How far back are you talking? JavaScript became a standard in 1997, and IMHO Ajax really improved the browsing experience.

[–] codeinabox@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Kent Beck does mention CodeRabbit, however he also highlights the benefits of pairing with humans, as he later goes on to say:

It’s not pairing. Pairing is a conversation with someone who pushes back, who has their own ideas, who brings experience I don’t have. CodeRabbit is more like... a very thorough checklist that can read code.

I’d rather be pairing.

I miss the back-and-forth with another human who cares about the code. I miss being surprised by someone else’s solution. I miss the social pressure to explain my thinking out loud, which always makes the thinking better.

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