Samueru_sama

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[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The points in the screenshot are just false and outdated, the guy even says that it doesn't work on every distro lol

This is signal made with sharun working on ubuntu 12.04 a 14 year old distro: https://imgur.com/a/1f5S0P7 The distro is so old that internet no longer worked lol, had to use a flash drive to transfer the appimage.

we use a lot less storage than flatpak and this comparison is outdated, we have reduced the size of a lot of apps since then.

I actually did a quick test installing an alpine linux container and about 10 GUI apps vs appimage and appimage used less storage, now this comparison was flawed because I later realized that the alpine stable repo was super old and for example GIMP was pulling the gtk2 version instead of the gtk3 one (which brings all of gtk2 into the system instead of sharing the existing gtk3) but you get the idea of how close we are.

For updates and desktop integration use AM or soar

but they will never replace native implementations.

Eden makes its appimage using sharun, they made it with PGO optimizations on it which has a ~10% increase in FPS.

native implementations wouldn't bother doing this, in fact PCSX2 had to tell people to not use the official archlinux package while it existed, because archlinux compiled it with generic flags which was horrible lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/ikyovw/pcsx2_official_arch_linux_package_not_recommended/

This is also the reason why this benchmark showed appimage performing much better, you are free to optimize your application, while distros packages, flatpak, etc you often have to deal with packaging policies that do not allow this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/u5gr7r/interesting_benchmarks_of_flatpak_vs_snap_vs/

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 21 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The problem is that NixOS achieves all of this by breaking assumptions that almost all Linux software relies on. Most Linux binaries assume the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard exists, and they expect interpreters and libraries at fixed global paths.

This is a problem of those applications, we began to make appimages that do not make those assumptions and work in NixOS directly. (And this also means it works in places like alpine where a lot of those binaries wont either).

People like to throw the FHS around but the reality is that not a single distro follows it fully, I wouldn't rely on it to be the same in the near future at all.

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago

Doesn't even mention deadbeef lmao

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

You know - when you list two points, and I refer to those two points in my response, maybe assume that I’m responding in the same order you listed?

Nothing was quickly caught and fixed, the bug report is 7 months old:

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/13319

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

Ok fair, but I still think that “a few bugs that make it not act like i3” is quite different from “doesn’t have backwards compat with i3 right”.

There is way more, it also fails with my i3config.

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So don’t use Sway, plenty of DEs are more polished.

If you are an i3 user the only solution is sway.

which is relatively new, has unresolved bugs that i3, which is older, does not have.

sway is 10 years old and they haven't gotten backwards compat with i3 right, let alone other wayland specific issues like not having fifo v1.

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

and one bug that was quickly caught and fixed

The performance regression? It hasn't been fixed.

Maybe don’t use a distro that is specifically known for shipping new software very quickly.

You will run into old wayland bugs lol, like GTK4 apps being totally broken on intel.

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/38373

and often structurally much better

On wayland even getting apps to draw their own icons is a total disaster, and doesn't help the constant sabotage from gnome of refusing to fix those issues, and don't get me started on the csd mess which is another source of nightmares.

Wayland suffers a lot of internal fragmentation, we didn't see these kind of issues in the move from pulseaudio to pipewire because there is really only one implemenation of pipewire, guess what would have happened a bunch of DEs decided to make their own implementations of pipewire instead?

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

lol

And I have amd btw (bought the gpu to try sway in specific).

Also nvidia in specific, the creator of i3 recently made this post detailing all the issues he has had switching to sway:

https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2026-01-04-wayland-sway-in-2026/

edit: sway doesn't even support fifo v1 ffs.

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Ah, if it’s not working right for you, it obviously means it’s not working right for 60% of people.

Actually that is not too far off from being true.

mesa right now has this massive regression on wayland: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/14674

And not long ago all gtk4 apps were totally broken on intel with wayland, this was recently fixed on mesa but that change has only hit people using archlinux and other rolling release distros.

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Also using the yuzu works (eden and citron) performance is awful, like half the FPS I used to get on i3wm, this also happens in hyprland but not in plasma, apparently this is because the two window managers lack fifo v1 (hyprland did add it a few months ago, I need to check if it works better now).

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I bought an AMD gpu to use sway and it is still broken, don't use sway.

[–] Samueru_sama@programming.dev 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

dec05eba is a totally different person, it is the guy that makes gpu-screen-recorder which is amazing btw.

It is the person that made this PR that fixed a massive blunder by metux lol https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/56

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