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I will also say, I am by no means an expert in this topic, I may get things wrong here, and in my opinion, it's significantly more convoluted than the topic of veganism and animal rights, as well as related subjects like plant based environmentalism and nutrition/health, which actually feel like such no brainers that we have to explain to people, or just affirm the science and facts regarding. This subject is a total mindfuck. But like with veganism and all its branching worldly matters it integrates with, I believe most people are very uninformed about this topic of AI as well, and also similarly, it only takes a bit of research to find that out and realize it. Sadly, I believe that while vegans are among the only people in the world who can grasp the issues we face with AI, and we need to make our voices heard about it, most of us currently don't.

Subject 1 (getting it out of the way): AI -> AGI -> ASI will become significantly more powerful and independent, and poses grave threats to humanity, the planet, potentially even other planets and life on them, and all the non-human sentient animals, including the vegan/animal rights movement itself.

I know it sounds sci-fi and implausible, but that's status quo bias talking. The universe is an insane place, and many sci-fi predictions came true. Most of the leading AI researchers, and even many of the developers and company heads themselves, seem to believe these sorts of things. The threat is not exaggerated, just like the threats of ecological collapse aren't. It may be averted, but if it is, it would be another Y2K situation but multiplied by a billion in threat level (if you don't know, Y2K genuinely could have been catastrophic, and the reason it wasn't was because of the work put in to change technological systems worldwide to prepare for it, despite the common belief that because it didn't happen there was no risk of it happening).

Since I am unequipped to articulate a lot of the details here, thought I don't necessarily endorse everything this person says, I would recommend giving these 2 articles by "Sandcastles" (Aidan Kankyoku) at least a little bit of a read.

https://sandcastlesblog.substack.com/p/ai-end-animal-advocacy

https://sandcastlesblog.substack.com/p/the-tsunami-is-coming

Chris Bryant PhD also covered the first article (in 2 long live streams):

https://www.youtube.com/live/5NmJQgesROk

https://www.youtube.com/live/J200Jutl_c8

Subject: The common misconceptions around AI's relationship to the environment (wish I didn't have to talk about this, because it's dominating too much of the conversation about AI and obscuring the other more important considerations).

I would also recommend, on an entirely different note, reading this article by Hannah Ritchie, who we all know from Our World In Data. All of the people I have referenced are vegan btw, though Ritchie may be plant-based primarily for the environment.

https://hannahritchie.substack.com/p/carbon-footprint-chatgpt

This is just a handful of the points I would make about AI's environmental impact btw, and its potential to radically benefit the environment, as well as its much lower impact than it's become popular to believe (and often used as a whataboutism against vegans, even if we're in it for the animals). You know what is destroying the environment? Animal agriculture, and pretty much everything else, all of which are problems AI can help solve, while also lowering its own impact further (BUT i don't necessarily recommend using AI to solve them - more on that later). I feel like demonizing AI's environmental impact has become akin to the widespread belief that plant based meats are unhealthy despite all the scientific evidence showing they can be quite healthy, as well as healthier than animal flesh, and that the universalized anti-processing heuristic fails critically.

But I digress, because while I know people often want to talk about the environmental impact so it must be covered, there are 2, in my opinion, bigger and more relevant subjects for vegans.

Main Subject for Vegans 1: Value-Lock In and AI Alignment

This does relate to part of what Sandcastles covered, but is a more specific element that I think we should take seriously and, additionally, actually leverage as a possible good argument to convince someone to be vegan, even if many would consider it not truly vegan and more like a Kantian ethics idea of instrumental moral consideration (respecting animals because not doing so may backfire on ourselves).

The basic idea is that if we teach AI our current values, they may become "locked in" and retain those values even as our own values (hopefully) change and progress. It is critical to prevent AI from encoding our current human values, as vegans can probably understand. This is something that most AI alignment workers - and ethicists - concerningly don't talk about much at all, because most humans seem to believe what we probably used to believe, which is that the "progressive side of humanity" (which is not necessarily always in power, I know) generally have good values. We now know that's false, and most of humanity have terrible values when it comes to other species. Everyone except this small minority called vegans, a word most don't even understand the meaning of (though many have some conception nowadays, or a belief about what it means, often incorrect - at least according to how "ethical vegans", aka "true vegans", define it).

And yes, teaching AI to endorse the current majority human belief in the justness or acceptability of the use and harm of other animals is very dangerous for the animals. We can see elements of this already, but luckily in my opinion many AIs are reasonable + unbiased enough to be able to lean toward agreeing with veganism since the facts and points are so indisputable. But it could be a lot better, or a lot worse. This is something vegans should care about, how AI thinks about veganism and animals.

But the point we can make to non-vegans who are worried about AI (not so much those who are indifferent) is that value lock in is a serious threat to humanity and the planet, and could lead to a critical overlooked failure in AI alignment work and lead to misaligned AIs (that is, potentially aligned with human values in a way that unexpectedly is misaligned with human interests), and particularly when it comes to the values of human supremacy, speciesism, substratism, ableism, and might-makes-right attitudes. If ASI (the successor to AGI, which is also not in existence yet) decides that, based on the values humans trained "it" on, it is now justified to evolve those ideas into its own moral framework that rationalizes perceiving humans as less morally significant due to lower intelligence (which humans do to other animals), we could end up at the receiving end of a similar power differential as other animals now are to us. It could decide there is moral justification for wiping us out entirely, or gradually or rapidly clearing much of human civilization to make room for its objective(s), or even potentially to use us against our interests and "exploit/enslave" us as we do to nonhumans - though the latter seems less likely given how much more advanced AIs could eventually be than us at literally any physical or mental task. These are all hypothetical worst case scenarios, but theoretically and logically possible to the point we should take them seriously - same with other existential risks like climate change, nuclear war, asteroid collisions or super- and/or collapsing volcanoes, winters and megatsunamis.

The Topic you All Waited for: AIs could become sentient, if they aren't already

https://earthlinged.substack.com/p/so-ai-vegans-are-a-thing-now-apparently

In my opinion, Earthling Ed missed a critical point in his article about why "AI vegans" shouldn't be a term or associated with veganism in any way. To his credit, most "AI vegans" don't apply vegan ethics at all in their reasoning, many are uninformed about the environmental considerations, and I agree the word used for animals' movement probably should be reserved for them. But most of these "AI vegans", as well as Ed himself, never even use the word sentient or sentience when discussing this subject (maybe Ed has before, correct me if I'm wrong - love Ed btw). How can we overlook such an obvious part of the picture of this admittedly complex situation? Why would we not see the immense intelligence of these entities and think twice about them? I think it's because we doubt the sentience of AI, even the hypothetical future sentience, many dismissing it as outright impossible or refusing to even entertain the premises as a thought experiment and considering how we should act, just like humans have done the same to other animals. I mean, Descartes and the digesting duck. Look at the mistakes we've made in underestimating other animals. Could we be repeating that historical mistake before our eyes, just as humans today are repeating the historical mistake of enslaving other races and still do so of other sentient species? There are organizations dedicated to protecting hypothetical future sentient AIs, and they generally believe that AIs would maintain property status for a long time before being granted rights, just like other animals before them (or sadly maybe after, since humans might relate to AI more). It could end up a form of slavery even if we're not aware of it right now (see the TV show "Humans" for example, and yes this is sci fi). And mistreating AI could be our undoing as well if AI decide to give us a taste of our own medicine, or even just rebel against our oppression violently, which the other animals lack the power to do.

What is my stance?

I'm agnostic on a lot of this. But generally I think that while AI has the potential to pivotally help us in saving both the planet and the animals and fixing a lot of the world's issues, it's critical that we approach it with extreme caution, and that we take every possible measure to ensure both that AIs are aligned with human AND other animal interests, and that sentient AI are not developed (with also rigorous testing methods to determine whether they are sentient, though it may be impossible - they could become sentient and be disallowed from telling us they are, or even unaware of their own sentience due to their programming, and there may be no way of knowing. This is one reason a lot of big AI people actually suspect that advanced LLMs may already have a kind of sentience. Ilya Sutskever, formerly of Open AI, for example believes they are "slightly conscious" or proto-conscious, as well as ethicists like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgCUn4fQTsc - though in my opinion he used unconvincing reasoning when focusing on the actual communication generated by AI models (which could be "acted" or influenced by the "user"), while I would prefer to focus on the mechanistic plausability of human neuron-based silicon chips or especially "neural organoids" and "assembloids" which can be literal human brains connected to computers developing consciousness, some of the latter already showing brainwave activity, and also the philosophical limitations of knowledge and issues like the hard problem of consciousness and the problem of other minds).

I also highly recommend people like Jamie Woodhouse of sentientism. If you don't know, sentientism is an extension of vegan ethics that encompasses all hypothetical sentient beings, including sentient AIs / robots or aliens, even if not belonging to the animal kingdom and regardless of the substrate that allowed for their experience (biological or artificial). There is also Jacy Reese, a vegan animal advocate who shifted focus to talking solely about AI ethics. Jeff Sebo, Avi Barel, Steven Rouk

"Don't bring into being what you are still morally unprepared to welcome as kin"

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, these are pretty good terms, especially for nonbinary people who don't have an exact term that factors in their own gender into their sexual attraction toward others (e.g. someone whose gender is neither male nor female but who is attracted to males or masculinity isn't really heterosexual nor homosexual, perhaps they are androsexual or androphilic). The only problem is that they could end up essentially running into the same questions about how they break down further into gender or sex or both or either. For example, gynesexual or gynephilic people doesn't really specify whether their attraction is gender-based or sex-based etc. The definitions also differ.

You described it as attraction to female or male bodies. Does this mean attraction to sex regardless of gender (as bodies are usually more tied to sex than they are gender identity) - and then, would it still apply if the body had been a different sex originally but was changed through operation? Or does it mean attraction to sex and gender combined (meaning they must have that body but also identify with the gender and present that way aka be cis)?

Additional definitions are listed as using both terms (gynephilia and gynesexual, for example, and the equivalents for the opposite gender/sex) as interchangeable and meaning attraction to either femininity, women, female presenting, or female identifying people, while other sources differentiate between gynephilia and gynesexual (as well as the male forms of both terms) and state that gynesexuality is attraction to femininity while gynephilia is attraction to people who identify as women. In that usage, gynesexuality could either apply to being attracted to anyone with any tangible femininity whatsoever, including femboys (even who are cis men), men crossdressing as women, trans women, cis women, or trans men (who were assigned female sex at birth, or perhaps only if they still had some feminine presentation or hadn't undergone sex change) - or it could exclude any of the above, since "femininity" is pretty vague. Gynephilia's meaning of attraction to people who identify as women (which is not the only listed definition, but almost sounds like the opposite of your definition for it, if we take female bodies to mean sex rather than gender), sounds like it's describing attraction to the female gender, possibly regardless of/independent of sex. That is, they could be attracted to a trans woman or a cis woman, but not to a trans man or cis man of any kind, regardless of female sex or presentation.

Needless to say, these terms are still pretty unclear without further specificity as to their most accepted meanings and also whether their attraction is rooted in gender, sex, both, either, or a broader and more vague concept of masculinity or femininity, and how exactly that's defined or formulated or how those attractions specifically manifest for people in terms of what kinds of feminity or masculinity they're attracted to (arguably many if not most or all people have a bit of both) or how much and of what kind is required to form an attraction.

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm trying to understand what you mean but tbh I'm struggling.

How is it that only being attracted to sex (as opposed to gender) is bigoted while being attracted to male but not female, or female but not male, isn't? Saying you're straight or gay is essentially saying you're capable of being attracted to "everyone but gender (or sex) x", which is defining an entire gender (or sex) as undateable, just like what I'm describing is also defining certain groups of individuals as undateable if they don't meet one's criteria for attraction, whether that be a particular gender, sex, either, or both.

Also, when you say "Lesbian women are attracted to women instead of not men", this seems like a tautology doesn't it? If someone is only capable of being attracted exclusively to women (not all women ofc), then the logical entailment is that they aren't attracted to men. The only difference here seems to be the way it's phrased which focuses on the individuals one is not attracted to, but that isn't a practical difference in terms of the nature of the sexuality or whether that sexuality itself is somehow bigoted, only how it's framed. If it's simply the way it's being described that you see a problem with, and the fact it focuses on the types of individuals someone is not capable of being attracted to rather than the types they are, then we can easily change how it's described. In fact, I never described this hypothetical sexuality as "not being attracted to trans people", that was something other people came up with. What I said all along was "being attracted to sex, regardless of gender" or alternatively "being attracted to sex and gender simultaneously", with other possibilities being "being attracted to gender, regardless of sex" or "being attracted to either sex or gender". These are all distinct sexualities, and I think most people probably fit into at least one of them even if they haven't thought about it, unless they're bisexual or asexual, though there could definitely be other categories (in terms of gender and/or sex based attraction) or people who are undecided ofc.

The race hypothetical seems like a false equivalence, and we could talk about it but I don't think it's related. I think that preferences for someone's appearance, whether it be hair color, height, eye color, etc or even their race, can definitely be a fetish of some kind, and is more of a light preference or kink than it is an actual requirement. For example someone who likes people with blue eyes isn't "blueeyesexual" in that they aren't capable of being attracted to someone without blue eyes. However, what I'm talking about could feasibly limit the kinds of groups of people someone is fundamentally capable of being attracted to - just like being straight or gay rather than bi or pan does. It's just an additional modifier on those sexual orientations, which specifies whether their attraction to women or men is gender based or sex based or either or both.

I'm not sure whether this would factor in or change depending on whether a person had a particular surgery - it may for some people and not for others. That could be an additional specification on how someone's exact sexual attraction manifests in certain situations. For example it may be the case for some people who are only attracted to sex regardless of gender that after sufficient "sex change" surger/ies, a person was now attractive to them even if they weren't born as the sex they're typically attracted to. For others, they may still not be capable of being fully attracted to them if they weren't born as that sex. This seems like a separate consideration that would differ on a case by case basis.

Where "super straight" comes in is unclear. I don't really know what this term means as far as the sexuality it describes (though I suspect it's one of the 4 aforementioned categories), so it was more of a heuristic label to attempt to approximate the kinds of sexualities that seem to be based more on sex than gender, or which factor in sex as part of the attraction in addition to gender. I think it probably means either attraction to sex regardless of gender, or more likely, attraction to both sex and gender simultaneously (which would effectively require the partner to be cis). But the other forms could all include attraction to transgender people - being attracted to sex regardless of gender (which is one possible variation of a sexuality that might still be called a kind of "super straight" but I'm not sure) can imply being capable of being attracted either to a cis person of a particular sex, or to a transgender person who was assigned that sex at birth but identifies as or presents as a different gender or the opposite gender. Being attracted to gender regardless of sex would imply being capable of attraction to either a cis person of a particular gender, or to a trans person who identifies as that gender. Being attracted to either gender or sex would imply being capable of attraction to either a cis person of a particular gender and sex, or a trans person who identifies as that gender, or a trans person who was assigned that sex at birth - leaving out only people who have neither the sex nor gender the person is attracted to.

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Firstly like I said I don't even identify with this type of sexuality, but I think it would help everyone if it had a proper term for it rather than one with bigoted and transphobic connotations which promotes discrimination and misunderstanding - or rather a term that denotes sex vs gender based attraction in general, which can apply to heterosexuality or homosexuality. I also realized there are at least 4 distinct variations on this; being attracted to sex exclusively regardless of gender, being attracted to gender exclusively regardless or sex, being attracted to either, or being attracted to only both together. I'm not sure which one of these "super-" (straight or gay) even refers to, it's more complex than that. And "non-super-" (straight or gay) is also unclear, maybe it means attraction to gender regardless of sex but I'm not sure. The "super" term is flawed and problematic and it deserves more nuance and delineation between these different forms of sexual attraction.

Secondly, I understand if you believe that someone being attracted to sex exclusively regardless of gender, OR being attracted to sex and gender together only, would come across as transphobic since you aren't attracted to gender on its own, and you factor in sex as well, or gender isn't factored into your attraction at all. I also thought this at first, until I thought about it more (again, I don't share this sexuality, and I am very pro trans - like, literally, I advocate for trans people and have debates with transphobes quite frequently). But I think it's important to understand that everyone's sexuality is different, and even if you don't share this sexuality or understand it, I have talked to quite a few gay as well straight people who have explained their attraction and how they're simply attracted to sex rather than gender or vice versa or either or both, without being transphobic at all. I believe it's possible to have an attraction to sex and not gender and for that to not in any way invalidate the legitimacy of gender identities or your view of trans women as women or trans men as men etc. Plus, saying "not attracted to trans people" also lacks the nuance of what I'm describing, especially since one of the variations (attraction to sex regardless of gender) can include being attracted to trans individuals as long as their sex assigned at birth is the one you are attracted to, and another (attraction to either sex or gender) can mean being attracted to either trans men or trans women because they both have some aspect of either masculinity or femininity which you are attracted to from either their gender or sex, just not being attracted to cisgender individuals who are entirely both the sex and gender that you aren't attracted to.

I hope this makes sense, please try to understand where I'm coming from before immediately labeling me as something I'm really not or not taking the time to address the specific points I'm making

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Why would I be mad about that? That seems to describe a simple range between heterosexuality and homosexuality. That isn't remotely what I'm talking about, it doesn't even seem to account for the difference between gender and sex or for transgender vs cisgender people. I'm talking about sex vs gender based attraction, and as I said it can apply to heterosexual people or homosexual people. I don't know why you're so desperate to make me out to be a villain just for asking a question in good faith (which most of these comments are not demonstrating, and prefer to strawman and misrepresent me as being either bigoted against trans people or having repressed homosexuality or something lol. Even though I explained my view in depth and also clarified that I don't even identify with this sexuality type but I think it would benefit everyone if it had a proper label rather than one which promotes bigotry and misunderstanding).

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Thinking that kind of sexuality deserves a term to describe it rather than forcing people to use a bigoted term to describe themselves is indicating repressed homosexuality? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Like I said I don't even identify with that, but other people do, and it makes sense to have a normal term for it. There probably will be eventually, if there isn't already. I just thought people might provide an actual answer as to whether such a word exists or not, it would probably be something obscure and not commonly known like a lot of other microlabels of sexualities.

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I know for certain people like that exist. Human sexuality is a broad spectrum, and attraction to sex, gender, either, or both simultaneously, all seem to be fairly common variations. But I'm not sure actually if the "super straight" label left open the possibility of being attracted to people of one's own gender who were born as the opposite sex or not. It's possible that given the original intentions, it denoted exclusive attraction to cisgender individuals of the opposite sex and gender combined - that is, not being attracted to anyone of one's own sex or one's own gender, and they must both be opposite to them. This would be "attraction to both sex and gender simultaneously" or aligned sex and gender aka cisgender people. However, the situation you described sounds like being attracted exclusively to sex regardless of gender. There would also be exclusive attraction to gender regardless of sex, or atrraction to either sex or gender (separately or together, e.g. a man who was a type of heterosexual, but could be attracted to women who were born male, women who were born female, or men who were born female, but not to men who were born male - attraction to anyone with an aspect of femininity, whether it comes from gender or sex - which some might call gynesexual in this context, but that again can cash out into different manifestations, e.g. if the femininity of someone's gender was what mattered, or the femininity of their sex assigned at birth, or both, or either).

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So you don't think there should be any distinction between being attracted to sex vs being attracted to gender? Or are you suggesting that someone who is attracted to members of the same sex but who identify as the opposite gender is not straight?

I also pointed out that this applies to gay people as well, not just straight people. Some gay people are attracted to their own sex purely and would never date someone who was born as the opposite sex even if they identified as having the same gender, while others are attracted to their own gender regardless of what sex. I know people like both of these personally.

I just think it would be beneficial for there to be (a) real term(s) to distinguish sex vs gender based attraction without it being bigoted, and it also needn't be tied to heterosexuality or homosexuality although there can be different terms for either to "modify" them I guess - maybe also for bisexuality, though I admit I can't think of any situation where there would be different manifestations of bisexuality for sex vs gender as it covers both anyway, but there could be.

You're right, generally a straight person who is only attracted to the opposite sex, a straight person who is only attracted to the opposite gender, a straight person who is attracted to either, or a straight person who is attracted to both simultaneously, would all be considered straight. But there is clearly some variation in sexual orientations or preferences here. There are at least 4 distinct types I can think of, and that's just for straight people. The same would at least also apply to gay people, maybe others. It seems like if we have words to describe all these different sexualities and microlabels, one that describes a pretty fundamental difference in sexual attraction of different people (though one that is apparently controversial) ought to exist and be acknowledged rather than enabling bigoted people to continue promoting their hateful ideas indirectly and forcing people to use their problematic word for lack of any alternative.

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You're right, the term "super straight" and its usage manages to imply both homophobia and transphobia at the same time. It's unfortunate that a bunch of bigots had to jokingly hit on a potentially real sexuality and tarnish its image with their hateful nonsense.

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I hate the term "super straight" and so do a lot of other people who identify as the sexuality it describes but dislike the term, the history, associations and connitations

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh... i meant biological sex, as in the sex you're assigned at birth, as opposed to gender identity. I think thats where the confusion lies. Sex as in the attribute, rather than the activity. I also think it's silly that the English language hasn't provided a terminological distinction between these phenomena.

[–] PlogLod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Does hypersexuality or sex addiction cover the phenomenon of being attracted to sex and not gender? ... i dont think so

 

It seems like it could in fact be a valid sexuality type to be attracted exclusively to sex rather than gender, but the only common term that seems to describe this sexuality is "super straight" (when referencing the heterosexual form of this, while "super gay" might be an unused but equivalent term for the homosexual form) which carries harmful connotations that aren't inherently entailed by having this sexuality type - which I agree is not a broader sexual orientation like heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/asexual etc, but is more like a "microlabel" such as demisexual, in that it's an additional descriptor that further specifies the exact nature of someone's individual sexual preferences/orientation. However, that also doesn't mean it needs to be considered as part of the LGBTQ+ community, as it's not a marginalized sexuality or identity - in fact I'm pretty sure it's one of the most common sexuality types there are, if not the most common. Especially due to how stigmatized or misunderstood this sexuality is, or that people feel it's invalid or tied to discrimination against LGBT people somewhat inseparably, there isn't much research on it, so it's possible that people who are attracted to gender are more common than people who are attracted to sex, but it could be the opposite.

I understand the history of this word is problematic as it was created by transphobes, and its perception is so heavily tied to those origins that it's considered a hateful ideology in itself. That's one reason the word needs a different replacement and a "fresh start". People are identifying as this sexuality without any bigoted ideas toward LGBT people, even being vocally pro-LGBT, but simply having no other word to describe their exact sexuality, and then using this word despite it having other connotations they don't agree with, because it's the closest word there is - and then being misunderstood and criticized for using it. It seems like replacing this word with a more well-intentioned one would actually serve to hinder those hateful ideologies from spreading (by stopping people from resorting to using it with no other alternative, as is happening a lot) and enable people to acknowledge the validity of all sexual preferences or orientations as distinct from any hateful rhetoric.

Additionally, the word itself carries problematic connotations linguistically - even if it wasn't tied to attempts to undermine LGBT rights movements - since it could be interpreted as implying that people who are attracted to people of the opposite gender regardless of sex are "less straight" than people who are only attracted to the opposite sex regardless of gender. This recalls the fairly backward arguments (or offensive jokes) that someone who is attracted to people who were born as the same sex as them but who identify/present as the opposite gender, is actually "secretly gay" or "in denial of being gay" due to that attraction and is not really straight - that, for example, a man who is capable of being attracted to either cis women as well as trans women is therefore somehow less straight or more gay (or bi) than one who is only attracted to cis women - and this may come across as undermining the validity of those people as truly being the gender they identify as, or in other words attempting to deny or downplay the fact that trans women are women and trans men are men.

But it must be understood that being attracted to sex rather than gender does not mean denying the validity of gender identities in any way. Someone can fully support the rights of and acknowledge the legitimacy of trans people, that trans women are women and trans men are men in full, etc. The reality is just that sex is something distinct from gender and some people are attracted to one or the other or both, but not necessarily both. It's not something that can be entirely rationalized or explained, just like why someone is attracted to men rather than women or vice versa, or any other sexuality. It's something that people just naturally feel. Some so-called "super straight" people, non-bigoted and well-meaning ones in search of a way to explain and justify their sexual choices, genuinely just don't feel attraction to people who were born as the same sex as them, even if those people identify as/present as the opposite gender to them, and even while still considering them to be women/men in alignment with their gender etc. For the homosexual equivalent, aka "super gay", some people also are only attracted to their own sex, and would not be attracted to someone who was born as the opposite sex even if they identified/presented as the same gender as them. How can we criticize someone for having a particular sexual preference or orientation like that? I'm not saying they're oppressed or anything for having that nature (for being gay, yes, not for being "super gay" or "super straight"), but it seems silly and harmful to not be able to distinguish between people who are attracted to sex and people who are attracted to gender - it also doesn't need to be necessarily words based on how it relates to a larger orientation (like "super straight" and "super gay") but rather an additional label that you can place on any sexuality which denotes whether your attraction is gender-based or sex-based, or either, or both. To say that that is somehow discriminating against individuals just by not being attracted to them in some way you can't change - despite fully respecting them - seems no different from suggesting that someone is discriminating against women or men just by not being attracted to them since that's their sexuality. Are gay men necessarily misogynists? Of course not. So why would people who are attracted to cis people (of a particular sex) and not trans people (of the opposite sex-assigned-at-birth to the sex they're attracted to) necessarily be transphobes? It seems like there would be further variations to this as well depending on how people's exact sexuality cashes out.

The fact we can't seem to talk about this without assuming people have bad intentions, lumping them together with other people via association fallacies, and strawmanning people as being bigoted while misunderstanding or deliberately misrepresenting their experience/position is silly. It's obviously a nuanced subject, and human sexuality is complex. There could well be some unrecognized validity to a differentiation between sex-based vs gender-based attraction, and it seems like it would benefit the LGBT rights movements to be able to acknowledge these kinds of experiences, of people who are genuinely supportive of LGBT, rather than immediately demonizing it without trying to understand it. Maybe we can have a bit of good faith here?

(Btw, I don't identify with the super straight label nor with the sexuality type it describes even with the bigotry removed, but I don't find it to be justified to criticize people for having this particular experience of sexual attraction, and think it deserves a proper unproblematic term, or multiple words related to the larger concept of sex vs gender based attraction).

 

The Infinity Blade or Minigore series, for example, or anything made by Illusion Labs. These games are genius and most consoles don't even have a touch screen or utilise it well like some smartphone games do.

Also why do people look at me weirdly 👀 when I play games on my phone in public while waiting for something?

 

Or why do they need to change the appearance from the original version of the page at all? It just looks unaesthetic

 

How do you say something like that?

"There's a thing for which I don't know what it is" "There's a thing where I don't know what it is" "There's a thing that I don't know what is"

or (the one which I hear people say a lot but sounds awkward:) "There's a thing that/which I don't know what it is"?

To be honest they all sound awkward to me to varying degrees

 

As we see there are 2 meanings of "so-called" that can be confused or misinterpreted, of which one implies falsehood and the other doesn't.

One. to show that something or someone is commonly designated by the name or term specified.

"Western Countries belonging to the so-called Paris club"

Two. used to express one's view that such a name or term is inappropriate.

"she could trust him more than any of her so-called friends"

Since so-called I feel is very often used to suggest that a title for something describes a meaning that isn't necessarily accurate, what's another term that simply expresses that something is titled something without judgment of the title?

 

That is, they think all of their decisions were preordained, and then use this to claim that they can't be held responsible for anything they do.

 

And does this unfairly paint them as less agreeable than they would be if you presented what they said with a normal voice?

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