DragonWasabi

And not an ethical or philosophical discussion obviously - I mean they're talking about which animal flesh they like more, which dishes "need it", how they like to cook "it", etc.

Are you silent and just wait for the conversation to move onto something else? Do you offer a comment on the topic? Do you say something entirely different to try to change the subject? Do you do something else to distract yourself or because you're bored or annoyed/upset/disturbed by it? Do you go into another room or leave if you can?

In these moments it can be incredibly awkward, I would imagine even if you aren't an ethical vegan, maybe even vegetarians who just don't like flesh by taste preference or are grossed out by it. There's nothing to add (presuming you don't want to go against the grain of the group and accidentally start an argument and trigger everyone by making a comment expressing your own choices or views or anything).

It's kind of like if everyone is talking about their favorite hockey players when you have no knowledge or interest in hockey, except if the hockey players were also all convicted sex offenders and the conversation disturbed you immensely.

We're socially expected to be silent about our views on animal exploitation (or flesh consumption) and not even state our "preferences" or choices too loudly, but then everyone else is socially accepted to say whatever they want about the subject at any time and in any manner (including defending animal exploitation and criticizing vegans). This creates an untenable imbalance where we just have to shut up and hold our tongue when people are talking about things that make us uncomfortable or even offended.

But in those settings, but it must be awkward for them too, I imagine (unless they're trying deliberately to make the vegan uncomfortable, which does happen a lot - but most people probably don't want to, I think). It's weird for everyone. What do you do?

Anyone noticed this? Do people only want to listen to people who are hypocritical like them because it makes them feel less insecure or judged?

Not sure if he's reading way more into it than the writer/director intended, but it's a cool take anyway. Sorry for the political element, not sure if it's appropriate here

Not sure if he's reading way more into it than the writer/director intended, but it's a cool take anyway. Sorry for the political element, not sure if it's appropriate here

Not sure if he's reading way more into it than the writer/director intended, but it's a cool take anyway. Sorry for the political element, not sure if it's appropriate here

Have we really become so unempathetic as a society that the act of putting yourself in others' shoes is unbelievable to the point that people assume you must be part of the group you're defending? So I often see people being unfairly discriminatory and mean to certain types, attributes or qualities of people, which I know some would be offended and hurt by. But whenever I stick up for them, I get comments like this: "Tell me you're x without telling me you're x". "F*** off, x". A good example is gay people or trans people. I get heavily criticised for defending them and people immediately assume that I'm gay or trans just because I'm expressing that I empathise with how they're treated in society and think people should be kinder toward them. There are lots of other examples but I'm worried I'll be antagonised here just by saying them, so I picked some slightly more socially acceptable ones (yes there are some far less socially acceptable things than LGBT these days, in my experience, despite the rampant LGBTphobia).

The word can have swearing but not genderisation which might be offensive (mother) nor allusions to sexual dominance (motherfucker). Nor, other possibly offensive connotations. It seems that the word is commonplace and people won't stop using it, so an alternative to the word may be useful. But the problem with alternatives, is that people might not use them unless they carry a meaning that's attention grabbing in some way, and when it comes to this word it needs to be able to be used in either a serious (non-funny) or comedic way.