Please define "free speech". Thx.
this post was submitted on 26 Apr 2025
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Free but accountable speech. Nobody should want a forum without moderation, it would be a toxic mess.
You didn’t define “free speech.”
Ok good answer but I was really asking OP (in terms of that list).
Nostr is absolutely unfiltered and it shows. Not for the feint of heart.
Spam about a once in a lifetime opportunity for generational wealth via an investment into PooPooCoin?
Yeah, that's the most dominant, but also sometimes nazi shit and the worst kinds of porn. Oh and I just had a guy eating raw meat and another one hit someone in the head from behind with some sort of tool. No idea what it was about, because I didn't speak that language.
Sounds about right for crypto scheme participants.
At the rate we're going in the US, anti science and antisocial, clubbing one's next meal or foes and eating the meat raw for lack of other tools is not far off current trajectory.
Yeah I checked out of Nostr after CSAM started appearing in my feed. That really sucked because I liked the technology, but there’s a line to be drawn.
Anyone who thinks you can have both absolutely no restraint on speech and an environment that isn't a cesspit hasn't seen what humans do in an environment that has absolutely no restraint on speech. Constructive discourse requires that there be someone to moderate and throw out the trolls, the spammers, and that guy who, wherever he goes, preaches about the effect of weather conditions inside the hollow earth on the lizardmen who select US presidential candidates.
The only real moderation that needs to happen is self moderation. If you see someone saying stuff that you don’t like, block them. That persons opinions are now gone for all that matters to you. There’s boo need for their opinions to be removed for everyone. Everyone has the capabilities to moderate their own experience.
If someone keeps being racist and it bothers you, block them. If someone keeps name calling and it bothers you, block them. Those of us who aren’t bothered by opinions we don’t agree with or by people saying things we don’t like can still engage with those people and perhaps even teach (or learn!) something.
There should be very few restrictions on speech, especially in an online forum/community, imo, restricted basically only for trying to incite or threatening actual physical harm.
Dude, apparently unlike you, I remember Usenet, which uses precisely the sort of system you're describing, in its heyday. That means I've also seen discussion groups implode because they couldn't get rid of a single bad actor. Killfiles alone aren't enough, even when combined with community naming-and-shaming. Someone always lacks self-restraint and engages. That encourages the bad actor(s). They post more, often using multiple sockpuppets to get around people's killfiles and flood out legitimate discussion. Newcomers to the group see masses of bad actor spam and fail to stick around. The lack of new blood kills the group.
Self-moderation simply doesn't work. Yes, bad moderation happens and I've seen plenty of examples. But no overarching moderation is also the kiss of death.
I remember Usenet, in fact I still use it to this very day.
If people want to engage with the “bad actor” then that’s their right.
You know what also makes new people not stick around? Over zealous moderation, especially when it’s clearly biased towards maintaining an echo chamber. More and more people are waking up to the fact that censorship is getting out of control, especially on social media sites, and they don’t like it.
Given self moderation and overarching and overbearing moderation are both the kiss of death, the one where a few people control the whole thing and direct the echo chamber is the more destructive imo.
I guess 4chan is still down?
Not Lemmy. I get moderated quite a lot :)
What kind of things do you say that get "moderated"? (And what, deleted? Censored?)
Checks mod logs of any popular instance…..
Free speech definitely not permitted.
'Free speech' around here is still dependent on the mods, exactly like it was in Reddit.