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Okay so I know Trump sucks but I need someone to explain this to me (lemmygrad.ml)
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What's wrong with opposing cartels?

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[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What’s wrong with opposing cartels?

What's wrong with opposing terrorists?

What's wrong with opposing dictators?

The answer to all of these is: The western empire declares something/someone an enemy when it wants an excuse to attack it/them. If you take it at face value in a vacuum, it sounds reasonable enough, but historically, it's almost never about what they say it is about. You can even see this sort of thing in the hundreds of years old colonial civil/savage narrative that lingers some today and the narrative playbook hasn't changed that much, fundamentally. They're still doing it to Palestine, for example.

[–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Liberals and Pax Americana always have the practice to redefine words like dictatorship, socialism, communism, capitalism, and even liberalism to create illusion of correlation. Using inaccurate or derogatory labels to confuse people is their usual trick. Their tactic to avoid awareness of the trick is to distract the people with what-if debate on "whether to support the abstract ideological thing that we said are bad" from the realistic debate on "whether we are giving the correct label or definition".

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Their tactic to avoid awareness of the trick is to distract the people with what-if debate on “whether to support the abstract ideological thing that we said are bad” from the realistic debate on “whether we are giving the correct label or definition”.

Well said!

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's an excuse to put troops into Mexico to support a coup.

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

every white tourist across Latin America is going to be fair game

That’s the settler-colonial paranoia that what they did, which they won’t admit fully, will be done to them. When truth is most oppressed just want the carnage to end, not get revenge.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

The terrorist label gives them legal right (under their crooked framework) to do military actions in México. It's an excuse to invade México legally in other words.

The war on terror/war on drugs have only further increased the power of these groups, so no the US does not oppose cartels or terrorists, in fact it supports them materially. Drug dealers in Mexico are armed with AR15s and other american equipment, it's obvious to anyone.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

God, I hope Sheinbaum has a strong hold of the military and can do a Chavez.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What does this mean? Military loyalty to the socialist gov't? God willing yes.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

She's technically not a socialist, unfortunately, as far as I remember.

But I just meant if Trump is planning a coup, she will need to have consolidated power over the military and have their support if she is to remain in power. She already has an extremely powerful popular mandate currently but she will need the military to support her, otherwise she will face a similar fate as Allende.

[–] DiaMatEnjoyer@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

She could be a communist and it wouldn't matter that much, the rest of the political apparatus is either neoliberal (opposition parties and old institutions) and a mix of socialists and Cardenista socialists (mayority party and coalition).

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Even terrible people do some things right. Smoking was discouraged and trains ran on time in the Third Reich, but it's now why we remember it.

[–] ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Two things to say here, one, the "trains ran on time" line was for Fascist Italy, not Nazi Germany, and two, it was never anything more than propaganda made to make people think that the fascist regime was efficient, when in reality it was quite the opposite, it was horribly corrupt and disorganized

The way that "at least Mussolini made the trains run on time" is still treated as fact by so many people isn't proof that terrible people do some things right, it's proof that too many people still fall for literal fascist propaganda

But I suppose it's fitting, because "Trump is going to take out the cartels!!" is also little more than propaganda to support a US invasion of Mexico

[–] robotElder2@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

The trains did not run on time under the nazis. That line has always been fascist apolagia.

[–] Roof_Roach@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Cartels as understood by most folks is a myth

Not sure what that guy has in mind though.

https://www.vanderbiltuniversitypress.com/9780826504661/drug-cartels-do-not-exist/