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I say the first one knowing if the zodiacs antics distracted the police from boots on the ground beat work. Example of security by obscurity?

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[–] NovaVeles@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Maybe a bit of both. Could be an intellectual form of Hanlon's razor. Don't mistake obscurity for intelligence.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 9 points 11 hours ago

Ciphers are easy to invent, and if you can't read the cipher-maker's mind, it's going to be an order of magnitude harder to break simply because you don't know the rule(s).

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 38 points 17 hours ago

He was not a cryptographic savant. His first codes were broken in a week, his latter stood up to scrutiny because they had encoding errors, so any attempt to decrypt using the intended method would fail.

They thought they were the smartest person, so they tried to show off by publishing ‘clues’. All they did was show the world they can’t spell.

And the misspelling of words also adds an unintended layer of difficulty to solving the cypher.

In relation to the notes taking effort away from boots on the ground, I don’t think so. The beat cops don’t go down to the lab and do blood work themselves, so I doubt they went to the crypto lab to decode messages.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago

I think the fact that Zodiac wanted to communicate with authorities and the media tells you much more about the kind of person he was than the ciphers could.

A big problem with ciphers is that the more complex they are, the more likely the message will get scrambled in the encoding. An incompetent cipher is more secure than the best encryption methods; nobody can read it.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 19 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

It's not clear to what extent the Zodiac Killer is multiple people, including hoaxers or copycat killers.

However, one thing that did happen was ciphers being sent into newspapers by some person, and IIRC some were solved, so if what you're asking is "did the person involved have any familiarity with ciphers at all", the answer is that he did. I don't think that that would make him a "savant", but he wasn't simply sending in nonsense and claiming that it was enciphered text.

EDIT: Wikipedia's bit on the enciphered letters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer

[–] lama@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think they're saying savant because the last one hasn't been cracked

Isn't it widely accepted that it hasn't been cracked because they made a mistake and messed it up?

[–] gridlock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Due to never having been caught, I’d argue “smarter than the average bear”.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

To me, 99% of the time, the only measure of intelligence that matters in these cases is that of the police.