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I got chastised on /news when I posted about an ABC article being censored and removed, because there wasn't an article about it being censored and removed.
I included original links and archive links and articles talking about abc facing ongoing censorship. But no news source had written an article about this particular act of censorship.
Original content is good, but something I see sometimes and really dislike is unsourced screenshots of text, or otherwise something that contains factual claims that do not point you to a way to read more and verify them. Even if it happens to be true, normalizing that increases our susceptibility to misinformation by making it more difficult to detect and call out.
Totally
I strongly agree.
I find personal viewpoints way more interesting to read and easier to relate to. And I'd also like to post more of my own, but it doesn't seem to be the 'done thing' for some reason, which is off-putting. I don't know if there is a genuine thought-out reason for this on the part of moderators, or whether it's some kind of unconscious internet tradition 🤷
It's a missed opportunity for connection between people.
Subconsciously engrained way of doing things, I think you've hit the nail on the head!
Huge proportion of people here came from Reddit, and I guess it's easier to do things the way we're comfortable with. But that seems antithetical to the spirit and purpose of Lemmy and the Fediverse
It bothers me about how news/article-centric Lemmy is in general.
It's a link aggregator at heart, much like Reddit. It's easy content that can trigger discussion.
The comment section is a great place to post your well thought out and sourced opinions. I'd rather read the source up front in the post and then get opinions from strangers in the comments than the other way around.
Modern journalism is just opinions from strangers.
Depends on where you get your articles. I avoid opinion pieces and articles from known offenders.
Most of the ones with article requirements also have rules about source reliability/reputation so your idea about making a new site to post your thoughts and linking to that wouldn't work for long.
Do they? the sources on most news here are extremely low quality. I can't count the amount of times ive read the article then read the reference material and it completely goes against what the article claims.
The arbitrary and subjective restriction of alternative content helps maintain the hegemonic narrative.
That's what requiring articles from the NYTimes, NPR, etc. is really about.
Liberalism 101.
I respectfully disagree.
If you want a place to discuss opinions, that’s what comments sections are for. Or communities dedicated to discussion.
But news communities are generally rooted in facts. For current news, that means sourced, methodological journalism. Discussion stems from facts
I can make a website right now and call it “The Daily Pragmatist” or some shit and people won’t bat an eye.
This is one of the worst issues plaguing Lemmy, IMO. People post stuff from outright tabloids, random Tweet screenshots, and those kind of websites Wikipedia will outright reject as a source. This is a huge problem, but it means that communities should be more rigorous about information hygiene, TBH. They need to be stricter about what is allowed as source.
Reality also is that many reach conclusions based on titles alone anyhow.
I hate this too. But to fight it, I think Lemmy needs to steal the “community correction” thing Twitter does, so people would see community consensus right below the headline.
And I am very serious about this. I will die on this hill.
I’m not saying more discussion spaces shouldn’t exist, that’s great; but news communities should be for news.
Honestly... I have gotten close to deleting my Lemmy account and leaving, because the information hygiene is getting as bad as Reddit here. I did not come to Lemmy to engage in conspiracies and misinformation.
And the community feeling the opposite is not making me feel any better. I’ve seen other Reddit clones do down like this.
I think we actually agree but there might be a partial misunderstanding. There was an example another commenter made of their experience with Xcancel. I think that explains it a bit more clearly.
Edit: this comment
Eh. I still (respectfully) disagree.
I think that’s newsworthy; but it should have linked the dev announcement, or GitHub thread, or wherever the information was sourced from.
If /c/technology won’t allow direct posts from developers, that is indeed a problem for /c/technology, as that’s a first party source for topical news.
But to make my position clear:
If that poster was intended to post without a source, that should be against the rules. It’s how I would moderate /c/technology.
There are other communities to post that to.
Hence, I don’t agree that this issue should be generalized. Communities need to straighten out sourcing rules to be more practical, especially to allow topical first party sources, but I don’t think they should loosen sourcing rules.
If Lemmy/Piefed has discoverability issues for small communities or an under moderation issues, I think those are structural, and we should change how the site works to address them.
Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree! 🫲
Link aggregators and short form text platforms have been displacing forums for decades. Probably because we are more receptive towards being advertised to than being mused / argued to.
God how I wish forums would see a resurgence. Back in the day they were so vibrant and fun!
I miss newsgroups. They still exist but it's basically a wasteland.
Yeah. I would love to see some diversity. I suspect the biggest issue is centralization makes things so much easier to navigate and the experience more streamlined. However sadly substantially more commercial.
i have no problem with posting news article provided you copy and paste the content or at least summarize what you as the poster thought about it. Like you read and what about it made you want to share it and what insights did you get from it. don't just hand me a leaflet about a place I could visit though. eff that. im here to interact here and don't intend to go to those other places on the internet that I avoid.
Yeah exactly this. Not every news site is available in every country. And for the love of God, the fucking people who post paywalled articles...
yeah when I see a link without anything else I feel its not about the subject of the post its about driving traffic. sorry. not interested.
Exactly. If you post a link AND your opinion of it or, what you took from it, that's one thing. You're not fostering conversation posting a paywalled link with no commentary.
To me it just shows lack of care in the topic. So easy to link an article. Not so easy to rub a couple brain cells together, I guess
Posting news articles is low effort and just perpetuates the propaganda game. I would be supportive of pushing news to their own communities, or even a toggle to hide all common 'news' site links, to help get back to dialogue about topics not defined by a newscycle.
I never really thought about this. What are some examples of communities that require an article that you think would be better if they didn't?
Most of lemmy.world is completely hegemonic/lib. news, worldnews, etc.
/c/technology in lemmy.world
That's one example
Had that one in mind myself. I wanted to post a thread when Xcancel/Nitter shut down for good (it was initially announced they would close it due to being sued by Twitter, then they reopened for a few days, and closed again). There was no news articles about it at the time, so there was nothing to link to, even though many users would find it worth knowing about.
In general I suspect that community is undermoderated.
That's a perfect real world example
I would've been interested to hear that
I don't think that it's a problem to have news-only communities. It's easy enough to create communities that do do original content, and if people want that, then they can subscribe to it.
Yeah that's what I meant to express by saying "it's fine".
Moderators are free to moderate as they please, just as I am free to think it's a largely widespread and pervasive problem overall.
Totally a place for 'news-only' communities which enforce certain websites or articles, but my point stands!
I feel like if the rules say only articles, then a screenshot of a tweet is breaking the rules. Just sub to different communities if full discourse is what you're interested in. It's out there.