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[–] ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone 177 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Send it to me, I consider a processor incapable of playing Valorant to be a free upgrade

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

valorant is the facebook of games. only boomers blithly ok with human right violations linked to the socials they use would think it is a good idea to stick with it

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 108 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I would be very interested to know how they are able to identify a specific CPU. The article speculates but does not answer this question.

The fact that this is even possible is a security nightmare.


OK, I've done a bit more digging and pieced it together. Acknowledgement to @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world for prompting me to try (again) to find a command that might do it among other things.

IMO, this sort of information shouldn't be in processors in the first place, but apparently it is there and needs admin/root access to, well, access it.

... and the game in question requires kernel-level anti-cheat, so of course, it has the necessary access.

The command for Linux is sudo dmidecode -t processor, which dumps a lot of info including an ID field, which is supposedly the CPU's specific identifier. It can be grepped for or otherwise filtered out.

My own Ryzen gives 8 hexadecimal pairs, so it's a 64-bit value.

I would not know that that was unique to my specific individual processor if I had not been told, but I'll assume that at least part of it is not unique between Ryzens of the same calibre. (I won't be posting any of it for comparison, for obvious reasons.)

So the upshot is, if you don't want to be identified right down to your CPU, don't run programs as root if there's any chance of them phoning home.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 44 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can extract the chip's serial number in software trivially. In Windows, from a commandline:

wmic cpu get pricessorid

I'm positive you can do the same with some Linux command, and failing that certainly with basically every vaguely modern benchmarking tool. Same deal with hard drives and probably also video cards. My BIOS/UEFI even enumerates all my connected hard drive serial numbers on screen if I interrupt its graphical boot screen.

Given that the anti-cheat schemes these competitive games are literal rootkits, I don't think gathering the user's hardware serial numbers in order to attempt identify them is much of a stretch.

You at least could in the past, I haven't had to do it in a while. Seems like the command would just be "dmidecode", with grep if you're looking to automate it

[–] inari@piefed.zip 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Running proprietary programs as root is my definition of hell, especially when it's something frivolous like a game

[–] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

This is not running it as root (i.e. privileged userland, still ring 3), this is running it as ring 0 (i.e. the level that the kernel runs at, with no restrictions on access to memory and hardware at all). A tiny bug in ring 0 code can take down the system or open security vulnerabilities, where the kernel can provide more hardening to protect applications to an extent.

You could say this is the inner circle of hell.

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wonder if Riot would provide any info on the ban status of a certain component when given its ID...

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They would not.

Anyone doing anti-cheat stuff tries to keep it as secret as possible, so that the cheaters have a more difficult time working around it.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It sounds like at least one cheater already figured it out. Just swap the chips. Then sell the old one used and pass the problem onto someone else.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

From the article, it tracks and blacklists other major system components too, so you would essentially have to replace most of your system. Probably the entire thing, since a single leftover bad component would lead to your entire new system being added to the blacklist.

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This has been a thing for decades

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

Either I knew and forgot, or misunderstood it as CPU family identification whenever I've come across it. Denial is also a possibility. We'll see if I remember this in a month or two.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Question is, what happens if you don't have dmidecode installed? Even more interesting, what happens if you've replaced it with a fake that spews back values of your choosing? If they're bundling it, given that it appears to be GPL2, they're opening themselves to a lawsuit unless they provide source upon request.

(Somehow, I don't think they're actually using dmidecode.)

[–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago

dmidecode is a tool for reading loads of platform registers, it is obviously not the only way to do it, or even the intended way really. Riot has almost certainly implemented the functionality from scratch in their anticheat, it’s a relatively trivial thing to do.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

What I've read just now is what I'd deliberately not gone looking for up to this point in case I found this out.

Linux and Windows happen to require that the executables that access that information be run with root privileges, but it looks like that's merely an affectation.

It seems that any old piece of software, without root or other privileges, can independently run the CPUID instruction that obtains a processor's serial number.

I do not like this one bit.

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 65 points 3 weeks ago

This is so dumb. as if there was no reasonable way to detect cheating without these super invasive anti-cheat monstrocities.

[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago

Ah classic Riot games, investing all the money in anti-cheat while their launcher lacks basic functions like "download throttling".

No idea how Steam keeps winning...

[–] Carmakazi@piefed.social 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Happened to a coworker with CoD 2019+ with a Facebook marketplace rig. Was also not being smart, and after he got his account banned and not realizing what was going on, he got his brother to log into his account as a sort of test, and also got that account banned.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Dog shit AI slop games anyway

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

back then there was no AI like these, but otherwise yeah

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

That's a whole lot of bullshit just to start a game. Pass.

[–] lil_baka@ani.social 12 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

What's wrong with this website. I don't see the button "reject". I'm not gonna accept whatever that is just to read this.

[–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 5 points 3 weeks ago

I finally found it, it's like 300 pages of individual rejections you need to go. Hard pass.

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago

Phillip Koskinas, Riot’s Head of Anti-Cheat, writes on X that hardware bans last for a maximum of four months and apply exclusively to the game in which a cheater was caught.

Now we have a name. He probably thinks he is doing the Lord's work with kernel-level anticheat, and we should all be grateful for his awesome contributions to gaming 🤣

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Wow, that sucks. I don't even know if you could get your money back for the CPU in that case, as the seller could just claim it wasn't him. Doesn't sound like Riot is being that cooperative in such cases either.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

HWID bans usually involve a much larger fingerprint of the system hardware. Riot would have to be really big assholes not to revert the ban, if they were to snapshot the rest of his system and see that only the CPU was part of the original ban.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Riot would have to be really big assholes not to revert the ban,

So, yeah, that's not getting reverted.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 weeks ago

Claim that it isn't fully functional (which it isn't, for the buyer's use case), and therefore not as described?

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The article says because he installed the chip and launched Valorant, his other PC components such as his motherboard are not also blocked.

He can’t play a Riot game unless he buys an entirely new computer.

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[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I play(ed) on a VM and would frequently have to fight with support over: no, fuck you - unban me. Virtual hardware isn't a valid reason to ban every few months. It worked. It was bothersome - so I quit playing. Ample free time for games that weren't user hostile.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm surprised the kernel anticheat didn't autoban you right away starting the game

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[–] PeteWheeler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The odds of this happening are so low, but at the same inevitable.

Funny. Sucks for the buyer.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, something about a game that doesn't work on Linux. What are the most direct competitors to Valorant that work on Linux? I'm gonna go play those out of spite.

[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

CS2, if you don't mind the kind of people that play online its a fun game.

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