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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

So the news is now filled with stories about how AI will take over and the Ai companies might lose control of it gets smarter and at least one employee quit because it might kill us all. You know what I seem to be missing?

Actual employees doing sabotage. That is a bit odd right? They think Altman doesnt care about safety, but nobody has tried to wipe the backups. And we know they dont think that much about security.

And it isnt like sysadmins messed with systems in the past over lesser disputes.

Not even a "im turning whistleblower, here are all the internal chatlogs and documents of the employees and management".

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm reminded of Yudkowsky's take that AI is totally going to kill us all and we should treat this seriously enough to bomb foreign datacenters if we think they're involved in AI development, but that doesn't mean that you should try to bomb local datacenters involved in AI development work. Please don't think about what you as an individual should do about the problems facing the world; you're just an NPC after all.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yud isn't necessarily inconsistent here: he really really wants the robot god to become real so it can invent the blowjob machine and win utilitarianism, but he only trusts people he's met personally to do it, and certainly not those shifty celestials.

Please don’t think about what you as an individual should do about the problems facing the world; you’re just an NPC after all.

Or as the AI2027 blog put it:

We may only have 2 years left before humanity’s fate is sealed!

Despite the urgency, please do not pursue extreme uncooperative actions. If something seems very bad on common-sense ethical views, don’t do it.

[–] lurker@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

God that blog is so hysterical. “Please remain calm and Rational even though we’re telling you that AI companies are going to kill you”

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago

Lobste.rs news: after letting the DHH knob-slobblers and interested-in-the-fascist's-newletters users weave enough rope to hang themselves with, the banhammers have arrived:

https://lobste.rs/moderations?moderator=%28All%29&what%5Busers%5D=users

expect the next step be even more pressure on the mod team to get them replaced with people "more aligned with the mainstream"

[–] sansruse@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago

Officials in desert state shocked to learn that water intensive industries (chipmaking) in desert states are vulnerable to sudden water shortages: https://www.theverge.com/science/993522/water-chip-semiconductor-manufacturing-colorado-river

in unrelated news: desert state continues allowing cultivation of incredibly water-intensive alfalfa for another arid region 8,000 miles away.

[–] lurker@awful.systems 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So Altman and Musk agree with Amodei’s latest assessment that AI should slow down, whether or not they actually stick to that is to be seen

[–] samvines@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago

Omg ~~we are haemorrhaging money~~ AI is so scawwie powerful intelligent and ~~nobody will lend us any more~~ becoming self aware. We need to slow down the frontier to ~~do regulatory capture and juice our numbers for ipo~~ protect civilization

[–] fnix@awful.systems 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Broke: scared of cheaper Chinese competition

Woke: scared of runaway AGI

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

Job postings and interviews with senior security officials at Anthropic show that the frontier AI lab is building out an extensive monitoring system to keep tabs on activists who oppose the rapid development of artificial intelligence.

In addition to monitoring activists in the vicinity of Anthropic executives and keeping tabs on protests near physical Anthropic assets, the firm is also implementing a “pre-crime” approach, attempting to predict incidents before they happen. In some cases, that also means reporting suspects to police before a crime occurs. Anthropic did not respond to the Prospect’s request for comment.

Apparently they can also sick the police on you on a trust-me-bro basis:

Last month, The San Francisco Standard reported that Anthropic had reported a man to San Francisco police for telling Claude that he had bought an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and had CEO Dario Amodei “in his sights.” When the Standard contacted the man in question, he told the newspaper he was “just fucking around.”

But while Anthropic was fast to call the cops on a frustrated Claude user, the Standard also reported a key detail: Anthropic refused to show police the actual messages, citing Anthropic’s internal policy. In short, Anthropic reported a user for in-platform speech, and then refused to provide police with evidence of actual wrongdoing.

image shamelessly stolen from https://bsky.app/profile/timhenke.bsky.social/post/3mv5puo47ns2z

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[–] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Terry Tao talks about how he used to try to cooperate with the AI industry to achieve a positive outcome, but now he finally sees their true colors. Link

During this event, OpenAI requested an interview concerning my vision of the future of AI and mathematics. I accepted, and spoke with them for perhaps an hour. I had done similar interviews in various venues, and I assumed that, as with these other cases, they would eventually post the entire interview online, which talked about both the possibilities and risks of AI much as I have done in these other interviews. As it turned out, they only used a few snippets of that interview for that infamous advertisement instead. In retrospect, I should have pushed back harder on their decision; but I decided at the time that even a selective release of my commentary would help raise awareness of the potential for AI, and in particular on the possibility of the “best of both worlds”.

Since then, the situation has deterioriated markedly. Many of the people in the industry that shared my views have left or become sidelined, with most major tech companies now increasingly focused on the race to develop extremely powerful, autonomous AI technologies regardless of their actual value to society. The current drama surrounding the Navier-Stokes global regularity problem is the most dramatic and visible instance of this, but there have been multiple other such examples, and much of my commentary in the last few months has been aimed that the increasingly severe divergence between the current objectives of the AI industry, and of mathematics in general.

Much respect to artists for seeing all this coming from the very beginning, and holding the line.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"AI techbro syndicate looking shady as fuck to nobody's surprise" —an actual rabbi

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] protectedinfoil@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Listening to Gil Durán’s The Nerd Reich (audiobook, not podcast), and learning heaps about people I’ve known were part of the Rationalist orbit for years, but hadn’t dug too much into, like Balaji Srinivasan. He apparently used the red/blue/grey tribe setup in The Network State, which was published long after Scott’s SSC post using the same language.

I remember that Balaji went nutty when the NYT published about Scott Alexander. Durán attributes that to Cade Metz reporting on Balaji telling Yarvin that they might need to intimidate/harass journalists to keep them from reporting on their fascist bullshit, but all the parallels make me wonder how long they knew/read each other. Did Scott influence Balaji first, or the other way around?

Certainly I am amused that none of the Rationalists have been named yet, 3 hours in. I wonder if it rankles, knowing how bad Eliezer has wanted to make something that people would actually pay for, having a whole book written about Thiel and Yarvin and Srinivasan where he doesn’t rate at all because he’s just some podunk little cult leader who has to beg for grants and find girlfriends to live with and do his laundry while he eats the crumbs off of their tables. Or if it stung Scott when Srinivasan’s book was panned as idiotic, knowing that at least some of those ideas were his.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

i first became aware of srinivasan because he was running an extremely funny bitcoin scam. it was a $400 computer, the crypto mining platform of the future, a veritable font of wealth, and when people got it it was a raspberry pi with some shielding incorrectly attached, so that if you touched it wrong you shorted it and bricked the device. it mined a few cents a year and sent something like half of that to a16z

i also first became aware that noah smith was going to lose his mind when he cited srinivasan approvingly on twitter, i drew his attention to this, and he replied 'no i just asked balaji about this and he said he's cool, that it wasn't a scam and also that he was actually put in charge of it to make it not a scam'

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

without going into the merits of the specific case, I find it highly amusing that OpenAI fucked up their big Navier-Stokes announcement which is now more about how they stole research from honest mathematicians rather than how awesome their AI is

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[–] rook@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Looks like there might be a bit of an openai vs anthropic dick waving competition over mathematical proofs. I haven’t had time to digest all of this yet because it is a bit hard for me to read, but there are a few interesting nuggets in there such as making it clear that the ai firms treat this as a marketing exercise (no surprises there). They’re also apparently trying to obscure the amount of human assistance involved (again, no surprises).

Levent had been told by Sebastien “very little human input” had been used. This turned out not to be true. Over the course of the call, as members of their team sent Sebastien corrections and details over their internal chat, it emerged that an entire team had been working on the problem, that this was one of a number of things that was tried, that work had started on the unforced problem, that the team first set the model on easier problems, including Euler, that even the prompt that had been shown to me had been written by prompting Codex, and that an insane amount of compute had been used.

The main statement is here: https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf

Associated stuff linked from here: https://mastodon.social/@tristanbuckmaster/117233413705701198

Do note that the author made heavy use of llm assistance for their work, and does consider it to be the future of developing mathematical proofs… this isn’t human vs ai.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

there are tons of issues here. almost impossible to convey how bad things are. in no particular order:

  1. this research breakthrough was a consequence of dumping tons of money into the ai companies. if the future of the field means being entangled with openai et al. and extreme expenses that is going to upend mathematics in a much bigger way than ability to prove new things will. this hasn't been a focal point of discussion yet but it looks to be at the center of mathematics going forward imo.

  2. possibly for legal reasons, the statement stops short of accusing openai of stealing their in progress work. as in literally snaking their documents off the cloud and using them to try to undercut researchers. but it's very clear that that is what the author believes happened

  3. openai straight up threatened the mathematician in question. in a colloquial sense they're engaging in extortion. apparently this is so routine for them that they didn't even stop to consider that they can't threaten an academic's career (or they assumed the mathematician would understand there will be no academic careers in the future)

  4. openai is straight up lying about their research methods. there are various ways that their announcements have had the potential to be misleading (for example when you see "we spent $2000 to compute these proofs" ask how much they spent on attempts that didn't work). but what they're saying may generally just not be true even in a literal sense

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago

OpenAI:

While unlikely, we cannot rule out that de-identified data derived from their usage of our products helped improve our models.

https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:i4bfh2tyxihe2ksplmtcoopk/post/3muznyls6vk2v

lmao what the fuck do you mean it's unlikely but you can't rule it out. do you not know what you're training your models on? are you guys unaware of what's going on in your own operation? does openai research not have any knowledge of what data they train their models on?

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The progression from 'the alleged novel parts were actually already in the training data' to 'we just stole them from some guy's chatbot logs' has been nothing if not organic.

an insane amount of compute had been used.

You don't say.

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[–] lurker@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago

They’re also apparently trying to obscure the amount of human assistance involved

of course lol, gotta keep that agi ruse up

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[–] rook@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Tesla’s new self-driving taxi seems to be entirely made of red flags and those horror movie moments where you can’t understand why anyone would go in there, because they’re clearly going to die.

https://archive.is/2026.09.05-135619/https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tesla-cybercab-no-steering-wheel-emergency-plan-push-musk-austin-rcna595741

Highlights:

  • No door handles. Good luck getting out instead of burning to death and/or drowning!
  • Doors might not unlock if there are power issues, eg. Bad things happened in a crash.
  • No manual controls! First responders will have to push it out of the way.
  • Unless there’s a power issue, because the parking brake will engage if there’s no power, so it’ll need to be barged by another vehicle, I guess?
  • Or you push it faster than 5mph, because the brake will engage for safety reasons.
  • Or if it is in the wrong gear or mode, because back-driving the motor can cause electrical safety issues or overheating, which will presumably increase the risk of people trapped inside being burned to death.
  • The vehicle is silent and may move without warning. You can’t tell if it is unpowered. First responders are instructed to “cage” the vehicle before trying to interact with it. Otherwise I guess it might just main or kill them by surprise.
  • Not all high voltage components are labelled. Exposed bits in a crash might just kill you if you don’t have suitable ppe, and you can’t tell which bits those are, lol.

The guide advises first responders to contact the company via the car’s communications system or phone for most emergencies, and says that the Tesla can assist emergency personnel by moving the car remotely, helping provide access to on-board controls or putting the car in neutral so that it can be pushed.

If Tesla cannot be reached by phone, the manual advises first responders to use an email address to learn more about how to move the Tesla, though it warns, “This email is not monitored for emergency requests.”

🤡

Welcome to the future, where first responders might just opt to watch you die because they’re not certified to rescue you from your autonomous death trap, because there’s no point in you all dying.

H/t to violet blue. https://mastodon.social/@violetblue/117237691936474802

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Greg Egan reports:

Open Letter about the Mathathon

This open letter calling for the cancellation of the Caltech “Mathathon”, has received 471* signatures so far. [Only members of the Caltech community or mathematicians at PhD student level or beyond are eligible to sign.]

* Now 771 signatures.

“On October 30th, 2026, Caltech will begin hosting the Caltech Mathathon, a math hackathon in which participants are encouraged to solve open research problems by prompting LLMs. Two prominent AI companies, Anthropic and OpenAI, will supply participants with 2 million dollars in AI credits. This event is likely to have destructive impacts for the mathematical community.”

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf6dBeDwjRP4UkchGSpLwLQjiG8qLX5_wW_3-xoC4dImTPp6g/viewform

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/09/09/ai-models-dont-kill-people-people-kill-people/5295368

At the same time, some of that harm may be balanced on a statistical level by lives saved through AI tech.

[citation needed]

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[–] HotGarbage@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Nice breakdown and takedown of Omarchy and its ilk. https://stopomarchy.neocities.org/

The chuds on HN of course hated my sharing it, though it hasn't been flagged (yet). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49661901

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago

No other Linux or FOSS project ever gets this kind of funding. You should be suspicious of it, not celebrate it. You have been tricked into playing defense for millionaires that don't give a shit about you.

one million times this

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 3 points 6 days ago

Aaaaaand flagged

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This makes me want to try omarchy

Those kinds of comments are 4chan style psyops moves. Literally have some screenshots of them discussing this tactic somewhere.

Edit: Found the images. Sorry for no alt text, but it is a bit too much to type out, put them under a spoiler as to not spam the thread. Note that they are more talking about the whole 'this is helping push people rightward' messaging than this specific thing I quoted from HN.

4chan images

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

sartre proven more right every day

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago

Yeah that on antisemitism thing he wrote just describes the far right trolls perfectly.

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[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago

It was only a matter of time. Enlightened centrist Brodie Robertson is now rubbing shoulders with DHH on his podcast. I guess after making nice with the likes of Andreas Kling, Vaxry and Lunduke it was only a small step to invite DHH as well.

[–] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Despite all the doomer propaganda that has been swirling around for many years, it's still easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Selling your hours on a laptop won't protect you while asset owners capture all the upside

Ignoring for a moment the laughable proposition of this generation of AI automating away half of all knowledge workers, all the enthusiastic teenage Marxists of the internet couldn't describe the problem with capitalism more succinctly than this aspiring rentier did seemingly by accident.

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[–] maol@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What does he think all the suddenly unemployed and angry masses are gonna do in this scenario? Twiddle their thumbs? Or does he think there's gonna be some sort of mass killing of the surplus labour?

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Another oped from StudyHacks Cal Newport:

Opinion: How Scared Should We Be of A.I. Right Now? | NYT

The time has come to push back. Once we understand the key ideas of Rationalism, we can begin to filter them out. Be very wary, for example, when A.I. leaders or online commentators begin talking in sweeping generalities about the future of the technology, such as stating with confidence that many jobs will soon be automated or that their language models will soon become sentient beings intent on escaping their creators’ control. (No, OpenAI’s autonomous agents conducting hacks doesn’t mean that A.I. is rising up against its human overlords.)

The correct reply is to promptly turn the conversation back to the possibilities, harms and viability of the products that actually exist. To extend an analogy I’ve made before, if Ford automobiles were spontaneously catching on fire, we wouldn’t tolerate the chief executive’s changing the subject to discuss our general lack of preparedness for a future with flying cars. We’d demand that the company address the acute problem happening right now.

(Hey remember when there was a guy that actually blew the whistle on exploding cars, ran for president? "We" tolerated exploding cars and people dying for years, until someone actually stepped up and forced the issue. How's the country been treating that guy?)

It’s not surprising that so many Americans feel negatively about A.I. at the moment, but these sentiments aren’t inevitable. Our current crop of L.L.M.-powered tools are exciting — and worrisome, and promising, and frustrating, all at the same time. With proper direction, they’ll hopefully make our lives better. But they don’t have to be terrifying. We thought Silicon Valley was trying to warn us of an unavoidable danger, but maybe they were just being weird.

wonder if such a moderated, watered down position in a large publication ends up sending more eyeballs to Yudkowsky than it does to innoculate the general public, could end up a net negative.

[–] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Cal was on Better Offline recently and towards the end of the interview he was talking about a need for some sort of structured language for interacting with LLMs for purposes of code gen that could remove the ambiguity of natural language and my only thought on it was "my guy, you are describing a programming language but with extra baggage."

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

New (to me) lore from https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/god-is-back-on-the-timeline

This all kicked off last year when religious Substacker Ethan Muse wrote a heavily sourced essay arguing that the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima — a 1917 incident where large crowds of people reported seeing the sun dance and emit radiant colors — was a genuine miracle, unexplainable by any other method other than divine intervention. This inspired rationalist blogger Scott Alexander to write a more skeptical post titled “The Fatima Sun Miracle: Much More Than You Wanted To Know,” which led to responses and counter-responses.

The discourse continued into 2026 when other bloggers began jumping into the fray and Alexander began investigating similar sun miracles in Buddhism. It seems to have wrapped up with Alexander’s recent pilgrimage to a modern-day holy site where people still claim to see sun miracles to this day.

lol pilgramage what. is he converting?

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[–] sansruse@awful.systems 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

https://xcancel.com/sama/status/2098811563415150910

uh oh you guys, sama and dario agree that progress needs to be "paced" at the "frontier"

call it: A) regulatory gambit meant to suppress open source chinese LLMs, or B) progress is slowing anyways and they need a good excuse that will also shine their IPOs

or C) both

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

From the mirror universe news

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2026-09-10/campaign-slow-ai-was-ready-viral-warning

ZH's interpretation is Coxon is some kind of false flag thing to bait Dems into regulating AI

Parker Thayer argued that Coxon’s launch looked like a sophisticated public-relations operation. He traced the earliest amplification to people associated with Encode, the AI Policy Network, and the AI Futures Project.

Brian Chau’s later thread surfaced a direct political-technology link. Newspeak House’s own residency page lists Jacob Coxon among its residents and describes his work as “applying mathematics and data science to inefficient markets.” Newspeak calls itself the London College of Political Technology. Its current calendar advertises Campaign Lab sessions aimed at helping the progressive left “campaign more effectively.” The residency places Coxon inside that political-technology network.

Some of the underlying funding links are public. The Survival and Flourishing Fund’s 2025 grant table lists $2.035 million for the AI Futures Project, $516,000 for Encode AI, and $1.635 million for the AI Policy Institute. The fund attributes those grants to Jaan Tallinn. Anthropic says Tallinn led its Series A financing in 2021.

Encode identifies the Survival and Flourishing Fund as one of several foundations supporting its work. It also says it refuses funding from corporations, foreign governments, and executives at frontier AI companies. Its general counsel, Nathan Calvin, is one of the early amplifiers named in Thayer’s thread.

Some new pins for the conspiracy board I guess. They imagine a "political-technology network" quite the linguistic contortion to not use the word rationalist. No clue what LCPT is but looks like a hacker house type thing?

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[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The antiai sub on Reddit is lousy with doomers now. Ugh.

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