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Guess he never said thank you.
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In February, without naming names, the Pope directly refuted a Catholic concept Vance had twisted to justify deportations. Vance had cited ordo amoris—the “order of love”—to argue that Americans should come first.
Francis responded: “Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups.”
Vance, acknowledging the rebuke, called himself a “baby Catholic” and admitted, “there are things about the faith that I don’t know.”
Dude, I'm not Catholic at all and I could have told you that. It's not really complicated to see that Catholic interpretation Jesus would whip you out of the temple.
Pope ghosts
Well, that certainly aged. Like milk or wine, I'm not sure.
Wine, it's pretty funny wording in hindsight.
The Pope couldn't bear being so close to JD Vance, so he just gave up.
Dude all but endorsed Trump, called Harris a baby killer. Fuck him and his nonsense organization.
Of course popes have a wonderful history of supporting authoritarian monsters.
I'm impressed he didn't burst into flames.
That kind of power is not in the regular pope's hands.
And sadly I was unaware he was visiting.
Did I not read a while back that he lost a fair amount of speech with his recent health troubles?
The Pope or Vance?
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I hate the Vatican but that's a total mob boss move.
I hear the Vatican has some very attractive furniture.
I'll never understand why people shit on him for fictional things when there's plenty of real things to shit on him for.
I honestly think it helps him/MAGA, because it teaches them, their supporters, and impressionable others that people make stuff up about him to criticize, so they can safely ignore criticism of him.
Could it be claimed that JD killed the pope? Pretty sus that he had a brief meeting and the man was dead hours later.
Queen met Liz Truss and died. JD goes to see the pope and he dies. Pattern around conservatives?
Would be nice if JD political career mirrored Truss.
Let's hope no rumors swirl that JD killed the pope with a contact poison
No, just cringe. The pope died of cringe.
Based Francis
I don't get the downvotes. My neighbours kid was abused while they had to deal with a psychotic other kid. The perpetrator, a catholic brothe, knew that and exploited the situation. They tried to cover up and denied everything. And that is only one reason to hate them. It was and is endemic. Greetings from catholic south Germany.
Well, they show a lot of compassion and support for all those accused priests.
The Catholic Church has never lived down its association with the last Nazis that rose to power, they aren't making that mistake again.
"Fuck those guys." - current Pope.
The catholic church strongly opposed the Nazis. A lot of christians were killed by the Nazis because of this. The pope is more like: like: "Fuck, not those guys again"
I was gonna say, IIRC the Nazis kept trying to hide in ancient cathedrals, because they thought the allies wouldn't bomb them. The Pope at the time told the allies to burn and bomb the Nazis out.
The catholic church strongly opposed the Nazis
🤣 What??? Holy shit, lack of historical knowledge batman!
Would you like to refute the statement instead of just saying they don't know what they're talking about?
I'll start - Catholics were amongst (there were many) the first groups that the Nazis started targeting. It's not a coincidence that the intellectuals, the Jews, the Catholics, etc. were also the ones that had some reaallly nice silverware that would look great in the Fuhrer's country home. If nothing else, Catholics would be acting in their self-interest to oppose the Nazis.
It's less black and white than either of you guys are implying. You're taking about Pope Pius XII, who was Pope from 1939 to 1958. He's credited with saving hundreds of thousands of Jews through various means, including support to the resistance, but also by showing some had been converted/baptized, which in itself was controversial. But he also feared the Nazis were going to win the war and that the church would have to exist in a Nazi world. He never clearly spoke out against the holocaust, and though a lot of the things he said, including his sermons, can be taken as condemnation of Jewish persecution, the language was pretty subtle. Also, Hitler had an envoy secretly meeting with Pius from pretty early on, which many say was bad in itself. Still, he also helped the allies with intelligence, to the point where Hitler accused him of espionage and had plans to kidnap him.
That's really interesting, thanks! I have no problem with being told I'm wrong, I do have a problem with someone just saying "lol you're wrong" with no evidence.
Oh, for sure. It's not an area that I'm an expert in, but your conversation got me curious because I had heard both things, so I read a few articles. One of the interesting things is that the bit about Hitler's envoy wasn't broadly known until 2020 when the Vatican released a whole mess of documents that had been kept hidden previously. So there's maybe more reason for some people to have one impression based on what they grew up hearing, and others to have a different one based on more recent info, but even with the new info it seems nuanced.
It's easy to fault anyone who didn't take a clear stand against Hitler from this vantage point, but it must have been hard to be a world leader facing the possibility that Hitler would be successful and you'd have to deal with his empire. Pius XII supported the allies and it's obvious he was against Hitler, but he was reluctant to be overtly vocal about it, and he even entertained the envoy, which maybe he saw as hedging his bets (we can't know exactly what he was thinking). It's for sure stained his legacy.
That's on the international level. On the national level one, if not the strongest opposition to the NSDAP was the catholic church. They even forbid participation in the NSDAP in the Weimar republic, altough they withdrew this decision later. You can even see this divide on the map, where significatly lessb votesed for Hitler in catholic areas.
Bullshit article, they met: https://www.vaticannews.va/it/papa/news/2025-04/jd-vance-incontro-papa-francesco-santa-marta-pasqua.html
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Wasn't this "fact checker" site found to greatly favor zionist propaganda and in fact be horrendously biased itself?
Post a source.
So far everyone I've seen making this accusation are one word replacement away from looking like an unhinged 4Chan rant about (((Them))).
antizionism is not antisemitism
Not what I asked and not what I said.
You want a source that it's zionist, and then compare it to "(((them)))" stuff from 4chan which is not antizionist but antisemitic. That is an extremely important difference, and if you refuse to acknowledge that difference you're conflating anti-imperialism with Nazism which is crazy.
Antisemitic folks like to make heavy usage of euphemisms to mask antisemitic topics behind socially acceptable language. 4Chan uses 'anti-globalism' as the euphemism for Jews.
Similar to how the ML instance uses 'anti-imperialist' talking points to push pro-Russian imperialism and anti-Ukraine talking points.
Well now he ghosted all of us.
Bro is with god now laughing at vance
The rest of the world should take this approach. If everyone just plain ignored and ghosts the US’s emissaries it would be pretty funny.