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[โ€“] SW42@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

Iโ€™m also doing my best to actively steer the company I work for as far away from US Tech as possible. Out of principle at first, but it turns out itโ€™s cheaper in the long run.

[โ€“] brownsugga@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fragmenting the world order and substantially weakening both the US economy and international relations is actually the entire point of the Trump presidency. If you want the plan outside of project 2025; just play his campaign promises and hear the opposite.

[โ€“] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If this were true he would be the single greatest figure of the last 2 centuries.

[โ€“] brownsugga@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Not that I think Trump himself actually has anything to do with it; the man shits himself

[โ€“] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And by Germany, we mean the world.

[โ€“] john_t@piefed.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Someday Bruder , someday... /s

[โ€“] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They are only "weaker" because they are smaller. European cloud services can be just as capable as US ones, it just needs investment to build up the infrastructure.

Too many companies and public institutions in Europe have allowed the US monopolies to get away with their practices here. For example: letting Microsoft bundle so many products into Windows and Office 365 at a loss to build vendor lock in and stifle competition. Letting google push Chrome aggressively to users of other browsers who just want to use their search. Letting Facebook buy Instagram and not regulating the social media monopolies.

These are all choices that reflect the poor state of Europe. We've allowed US companies to come in and exploit Europe. That also continues in the EU with companies avoiding tax by basing themselves in Ireland and charging their operations in other countries franchise costs.

Europe tolerated all this because there was an idea that it was balanced out in other ways with the US, and this was what free trade is. Trump has made clear assumptions over all Europes relationship with the US is not equal, and we really need our anti-trust bodies to get back to doing what they used to do to protect European citizens.

Remember when the EU forced Microsoft to give users a choice of web browsers? More recently The EU has done some work on forcing Apple to open it's appstore / payment system to competition but it's done next to nothing about Microsoft Office 365, Microsoft Windows, Google Search, Google Chrome, or Meta & Twitter/X. I hope European politicians follow their words with actions.

[โ€“] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah it makes no sense to me. If you are at a scal where you have multiple locations and disaster recovery its pretty much all that is needed.

[โ€“] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, the bavarian state government has made another 5 billion โ‚ฌ deal with microsoft for the next 5 years.

[โ€“] brainwashed@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

I believe that they say that, I do not see them act accordingly.

[โ€“] Arras@nord.pub 5 points 1 week ago

That's... how you build stronger cloud services?
Using EU cloud providers gives them the financial muscles to build stronger services. I'm moving everything I can to EU services, even if that means that I have to pay a little extra for it, or get slight worse services because I want them to be able improve. I will however shop between EU providers so that I get the best value for money. I'm not an idiot.

[โ€“] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Itโ€™s pretty clearly a national security issue. All American companies are compromised to Israel and anti democratic oligarchs

[โ€“] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What is a fully US independent search engine?

[โ€“] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

Others have stated Ecosia/Qwant building a European search index, but you also have Mwmbl with their own index that I believe is not American.

Additionally, you could also look at the various SearXNG instances hosted in Europe (or self-host your own!). They are meta search engines, meaning you can configure what sources and indexes they use for results and the ones you select are used together.

[โ€“] Asetru@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not entirely, as currently, beside results from their own index, they also add search results from Bing.

[โ€“] klangcola@reddthat.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Qwant and Ecosiaia are currently building a joint independent index

[โ€“] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, I know, that's why I wrote "also". I've edited my comment to make the point more clear.

[โ€“] kevinsky@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Everything is new at some point. They aren't weaker for long if you keep pouring enough money into it.

[โ€“] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)