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So glad this thread could become such a perfect microcosm of why we need to defederate.
You asked about us. We came out in force to answer you. Why is that surprising or evidence of anything? We don't have a downvote feature, so we're used to responding when we disagree. And of course we're going to defend ourselves.
Its so funny how you guys became so used to being able to live in an echo chamber of western capitalist propaganda on reddit, then moved here, then had that bubble popped by us and lemmygrad, then became INCREDIBLY DESPERATE to get away from opinions you previously were sheltered from. Its just a funny reaction to witness. Meanwhile, liberalism is something I can never really escape. Because its everywhere. I dont actually have the option to completely unplug.
Anyway, if your instance defeded lemmygrad I have no doubt you'll get your way with us sooner rather than later.
I'm all for some good dunking, but this is the response that most clearly, patiently, and convincingly explains what the deal with Hexbear actually is. OP, we are also humans who have built our opinions on real information, both historical and modern - probably more than 99% of liberals - and you'd benefit as a human and a citizen of the world to make a good faith effort to understand us.
Hexbear is actually one of the oldest Lemmy instances, been around for over three years. Due to technical issues around our high number of active users and having to rely on volunteer labour, we have only been able to federate within the last few weeks.
The way they tell it, you'd think everything from DW, to Fox, to Propublica, to straight up AP News articles, are all written by the same people.
Because they are. This isn't even a radical far left idea. Ever heard of "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky? That's one of the main arguments, that the media is owned and controlled by the capitalist class.
Seems like you're missing a ton of nuance in manufacturing consent, and have turned from the frying pan into the fire in that sense.
Yes, Western media is biased towards corporations. This is most clearly seen in anything labeled "finance" or "money", but is pervasive.
But the only time I can ever think of Western media doing anything on the scale of censoring the 1989 Tiananmin Square Massacre is the Iraq MWD debacle. And they've never done anything like the Great Firewall.
As a rule the US government does not mislead its own citizens the way Russia and China do.
And even if you're 100% on board with every word Marx has written, I don't understand how that leads one to defend modern day Russia and China.
The West absolutely has problems. And it's good and right to point those out and try to fix them. But to try to paint the East as the answer to stand against the West is dangerous and dumb.
As a rule the US government does not mislead its own citizens the way Russia and China do.
How do you know that? Did the US government tell you?
The way they tell it, you'd think everything from DW, to Fox, to Propublica, to straight up AP News articles, are all written by the same people.
They are, it's called the capitalist class.
And your information is incorrect, hexbear is one of the oldest Lemmy instances, and we've always been among the most active. My account is over 3 years old. It's just that we only federated recently.
Ah yes, the classic wealthy journalist. Everyone knows that reporting is where the big bucks truly lie. I guess it's impossible for literally anyone living anywhere but the like 3 countries that pretend to be communist to report on anything accurately.
Ah yes, the classic wealthy journalist.
Ah yes, the classic wealthy Amazon worker. Everyone knows that having a logistics and retail monopoly is where the big bucks truly lie.
Obviously because the lowest level worker in this industry is not wealthy themselves, it means that suggesting the industry as a whole is both owned and serves the interests of entrenched power and wealth IS BIG DUMB LOL
Honestly, federation with Hexbear has improved my Lemmy experience 1000%. I think it would be silly to defederate because a vocal minority of libs don't like their worldview to be challenged. You can individually block the instance if you don't appreciate the vibe.
As far as I can tell they embrace leftist unity which is something we could all use more of.
As far as I can tell they embrace leftist unity which is something we could all use more of.
not to mention that a lot of well-meaning libs simply need to cross the mental barrier of "liberal bourgeois democracy = the end of history" to end up on our side. they recognize, on some level, many of the basic problems of capitalism but lack the analytical tools and deprogramming to effectively criticize it.
if exposure to leftist views outside the mainstream gets someone, anyone, to realize that smugly whining about "tankies" on the computer does exactly 0 good for improving their own material conditions, I'd say we've done our part
I always get really frustrated seeing the same places that hate cops openly and will outright say ACAB, and pro-queer and other good things, also spreading western propaganda about bad countries. Its like, man, if you could just get over this ONE hurdle.