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Row over ‘virtual gated community’ AI surveillance plan in Toronto neighbourhood (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 2 weeks ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Crime rates in Toronto as a whole are dropping but residents of Rosedale have been left on edge by a sustained rise in home invasions, with robbers targeting the tree-lined neighbourhood at a rate more than double the city average. Break-ins and thefts remain the third highest per capita in Toronto.

Given that this is a neighborhood, how many would that be? 3 instead of 2?

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Also, it's a low sample size so the variability will be massive.

A 50% increase sounds like a lot but, like you said, it could also just be one or two more than the previous year.

Given that they're considering Flock, I'd guess that Flock is feeding them fear-porn statistics like this. It's misleading but most people don't understand statistics enough to know that they're being misled.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Flock cameras can also pickup conversations of people passing by, let alone the massive amount of other privacy concerns with these being owned by third party companies and how extremely easily hackable these cameras are.

IMO, I don't see how people in Toronto can support these cameras, especially since Ontario in general had speed cameras removed, and those as far as I know were police operated.

TBH it would probably make more sense to install the speed cameras back, those only captured photos as opposed to 24/7 recordings.

Some links that you might find useful:

Find locations of flock cameras: https://deflock.org/

How hackers can use flock cameras to monitor and stock neighborhoods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo

Video that is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9MwZkHiMQ

Edit: Went down a rabbit hole.

Toronto's speed cameras were owned, operated, and maintained by Verra Mobility (specifically through their subsidiary, Redflex Traffic Systems (Canada) Limited). This is a Arizona-based company. While the City of Toronto selected the locations and processed the tickets. I can't seem to find any clear info on how the data was processed or how the system was secured.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's Rosedale. Second only to Bridalpath in wealth. The Conservative rich live there in their mansions. The place is basically a manicured and inaccessible ghost town with super low density, adjacent to downtown and only a bridge separating it from the poorest hood there is in Toronto. I wouldn't be worried about them installing flock, as no one in their right mind actually goes there, except for temp foreign worker nannies and the people wishing to plunder the parked wealth.

[–] Danarchy@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 weeks ago

It is your patriotic duty to drive past those AI surveillance cams pressing mad hams