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I'm shocked that I haven't seen one protest yet. Is the media suppressing them? If there aren't any, why?

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ok so everyone wants one, right? Feels like it'll be dramatic and big and change and fix everything, even if it gets violent.

But there's problems with that, not only in execution but also results.

One problem is the US is massive. It would take almost as much planning as a moon landing to effectively organize a protest that large, even if you only do the continental 48 states. Some of those states alone are as large as some European countries, some are larger, so the size alone gets in the way of things.

Then you have the problem with getting all the people protesting to agree to a cohesive protest. Where to protest, what to protest specifically about, and to have a solid list of demands. Trying to get that amount of people to agree on anything alone would be huge. Like my mother says, it's like herding cats.

And then there's the matter of getting that info out there. Occupy wall Street and BLM did have a comprehensive list of demands but the media pretended they didn't. Almost all media is owned by like, six corporations, so even getting the instructions for that protest would be incredibly hard. And lest people forget, those media companies are final, so most of the media in other countries hearing about this will have just as much information surpression and do already. So it would be incredibly hard to get a comprehensive plan, demands, and instructions out el to everyone.

Also don't forget that we have the technological spying that didn't exist before. Cameras are everywhere. Not only in your phone, but on almost every street. People even put those Ring doorbells on their homes and that company sells it's video footage to the police, and doesn't turn off, so any protest could be monitored and nipped in the bud. We have whole agencies devoted to surpressing protests and entire handbooks in infiltrating them.

Then there's logistics and provisions. Most Americans can't afford to travel, much less take a week or two off of work, or a month, to protest long term. We can barely afford to keep ourselves fed with what we're getting paid, and if we were protesting in one specific location, most of us couldn't take the time to get there much less afford to. We have to feed the majority of almost an entire continent in one location for an extended period of time.

And if it was one specific location, the hospitals, hotels, grocery stores and restaurants would be so overwhelmed that they couldn't handle everyone.

Speaking of hospitals, if, as in when, the police and military attacked the protest, most people could never afford the medical treatment to be able to get patched up, much less their lives saved.

And speaking of the police and military, we have the most militarized police force on the planet. Our police don't have just batons, they have live rounds of ammunition and full on tanks. And they are more than willing to use them on civilians, especially in protesters. Look up Blair Mountain and the Kent State shooting. Not only could this crush a protest, but people would have to be ok with the idea they would very likely die.

And our prison system, being for profit, would salivate at the idea of getting more slave labor en masse, and the current administration is more than happy to detain people over trivial things. So everyone would have to be ok with life imprisonment if they didn't get shot.

On top of that, not everyone is on board. About a third to a half of the country is in favor of what's happening and have a cult around Trump and Musk. A lot of people voted for this and are in favor of it, because they really, really hate the liberals, Democrats, gays, minorities, etc. There's a whole media pipeline for this that they listen to, especially young people who normally are the type to protest this stuff. So there would be resistance from civilians on top of not everyone being in favor of the protest.

Then there's the problem of what that protest would actually accomplish. Even if you pulled it off, because of the supply issues, it would be short lived. Maybe a week or two, being surpressed by the military and police, and demonized in the media. The oligarchs would simply wait it out. It wouldn't enact long term change, even if everyone could agree with what they want changed in the first place. So it might not be effective even if it was pulled off.

And the primary opposition party, which should be doing anything, has adapted a strategy of self preservation. Concede to the fascists for now, bide your time, then come election season tell everyone that you are the better and only choice (because winner takes all so they are the only alternative) and hope for a blue wave in four years. Can't make any changes if you're not in power, so do what you can to keep it now and believe that if things get bad enough now people will come crawling back. So very little actual support for a protest would come from on top.

And then, if we look at history, a lot of rebellions needed other countries to support them in order to be successful. Most of them had outside influence from other major powers. The other major powers right now are either in favor of the government, turning fascist themselves, or if they did intervene would risk starting a war with the US which has the biggest military in the history of humanity. So not a lot of help would come from the outside, if any.

So while we also would like a massive protest, there are huge issues in the way of effectively pulling it off.

So what's been happening has been local efforts. You might not hear about town hall protests or stuff in individual state capitals in other countries, but those smaller fires are burning. There's been economic protests, like the backlash against Tesla and the no buying day, which apparently was started to get people to dip their toes into a national protest. There's been a lot of smaller community organizing, which hopefully adds up. I think and hope there will be more individual direct action, perhaps more Luigi strategies on specific individuals, as things get worse. Maybe more guerilla tactics, French resistance style efforts, are what is going to happen rather than a massive protest.

Tldr: We ARE doing stuff here. We hate this more than anyone. The change will have to come in less exciting ways than a big, national rebellion, so sorry you're not getting as much of a spectacle, we'd like that, too, but there's a lot of prep work that would need to be done to pull it off that needs to happen first. We aren't sitting by and letting this happen, and we are working towards fixing things.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

There are. Heaps of them.

The US is just a big place and very spread out. And the ruling government and its media conglomerates are trying to keep them out of the media.

[–] ElleOhh@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Estimates show 65-75% of households live paycheck to paycheck. We financially can’t miss a day of work, let alone long stretches. Or we are allowed so little time off that it has to be saved for sick/emergency days (if you get any at all!).

That’s setting aside things like long hours, multiple jobs, unaffordable daycare, lack of medical care on top of hard hitting inflation without any wage changes.

It’s by design. It’s like intentionally under feeding slaves so they don’t have the energy to run away.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hang on, that doesn't sound like the American dream I've been told about !

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The American dream was the freedom to pursue your goals, not those rewards being handed to you. Common misconception. You had a bunch of kids before financially ready or didn't go to the right school, picked up a felony young, whatver you did, that was on you, by the old timers logic. Literal royalty just wasn't preventing you anymore.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh I thought the American dream was having crony capitalism destroy your small business and send you to work at the Walmart that replaced you. Only to have to rely on government benefits because its the only job in 50 miles and it pays $7.50 an hour.

Thats the rural american dream baby. Sprinkle some opioids on it. It's glorious.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's fucking amazing how people that populate these sites are incapable of having a simple, historical fact explained to them without whining about how bad they have it, from their own choices.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just described rural America. From sea to shining sea. Did you actually have a historical fact? It sounded like you were just were just speculating without conculsion and casting judgement like that was the only intent you had.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh so you don't care about actual americans. Thats all i needed to know. I'm not whining, im doing fine myself. Clearly i didn't die from Oxy overdose and im happily retired forcused on gardening. I just care about the people who's lives were ruined, i forgot empathy offends you fucking snowflakes so next time i'll tone it down. Good luck feeding your welfare dependant family memebers this year!

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

jesus you're sad.

[–] kreynen@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 1 year ago

@Yazer@lemmy.ca there is also the 50501 group organizing protests in all 50 states April 5.

As others have commented, there haven't been protests this large and often in the US since the Vietnam War. Organizing this takes time. Organizing without using billionaire owned services with questionable privacy policies takes even longer... but it is happening.

https://www.fiftyfifty.one/

[–] vfsh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's being suppressed, I can't find the graph I saw yesterday but cumulative daily protests this year have far outclassed the protests from 2017, yet there's very little coverage of it from the major outlets.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The revolution will not be televised.

[–] vfsh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago

Not when the class that controls the media is the one being revolted against.

It will however be recorded and streamed and shared peer to peer.

[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

We had an election and Trump won fair and square. All you can do is regroup and get prepared for the next election.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I think this is a factor of your media echo chamber. I've personally attended protests nearly every week since January. I'm going to one tomorrow. They are all over my news feeds.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because the Americans don't know how to protest.

To a Frenchman a protest is storming and taking control of the representation of authority in the country.

To a Greek a protest is filling the streets of many cities throughout the country with hundreds of thousands of people.

To an American a protest involves standing in a square by the few hundreds, holding signs with semi-sarcastic or passive aggressive messages written on them.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe you just aren't where it's happening?

https://apnews.com/article/50501-protests-project-2025-trump-state-capitols-ddd341171a54ba9b498cbfe7530e18ab

"Protesters in Philadelphia and at state capitols in California, Minnesota, Michigan, Texas, Wisconsin, Indiana and beyond waved signs denouncing President Donald Trump; billionaire Elon Musk, the leader of Trump’s new Department of Government Efficiency; and Project 2025, a hard-right playbook for American government and society."

[–] Yazer@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

I guess I'm just shocked that they only waved signs. In France, the guillotine would have been out. Here in Canada we entirely shut down our capital for months, and both for way less. When will the real protests start?

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mass media is actively suppressing them:

Link to full article from WagingNonViolence.org