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It was quite dystopian.
But as a regular commuter through there I've seen a couple of examples of shit behaviour.
When cycling to work I've had a shopping trolley pushed in front of me deliberately at the last second followed by laughter when I nearly stacked it from swerving.
I've seen bottles thrown at people on scooters.
Not sure what the answer is. Maybe just switch it on at peak commuter hours?
The answer is probably a homeless shelter.
Problem is people like OP is referring don’t stay at shelters long as they generally require you don’t drink/do drugs/keep your area clean. A good portion of the homeless population aren’t just “down on their luck” they’re long term homeless/unemployed due to undiagnosed mental illness and substance dependence. There’s also a subset of them who are frequently belligerent so you’d need staff able to work around people like this, pay them adequately for doing so and pay for security. It’s usually not that simple an issue to address as anyone who’s been around homeless areas can tell you.
Ah yes, it’s difficult so let’s not start to deal with the issue.
The homeless don’t do this in every city, so it’s nothing to do with mental health, it’s the access to help that’s the issue.
The problem is the homeless absolutely do need a place to stay and help, but people like you with this viewpoint aren’t going to let them get the help they need.
That is not what they said
Other cities have figured out how to handle this, and it starts with shelters, they’re advocating against shelters because of the issues the people who use them would supposedly present.
Yet we accommodate non homeless people with these exact same issue, the only issue is the lack of help, and the stigmata like the user has against normal people who lack the help they need. Full stop.
Ok but you're still attacking a point they didn't make.
Someone said the answer was homeless shelters. The person you're attacking said "homeless shelters aren't enough, you need more". They did not say "build anti-homeless structures instead of shelters"
Shelters solve the problem for many but don't do anything to help the type of person causing trouble. That's all they're saying.
Shelters solve the problem for many but don't do anything to help the type of person causing trouble. That's all they're saying.
That isn’t true at all. If there’s shelters, the other issues would be dealt with by the police, like non-homeless. That fact that people are making a distinction at all is entirely the issue.
I’m attacking the fact that they’re stigmatizing homeless like they’re any different than non-homeless. That bias and prejudice is what’s causing these issues. Treat homeless like they are human and they won’t act out anymore than nonhomeless. Shocking eh?
It's hilarious that you're suggesting the police would help someone with mental health issues while pretending to know more than anyone in this thread. I'm not up for a dick measuring contest here but I'd wager I've got a lot more experience - good AND bad - based on your replies.
I didn't prove your point. You're being needlessly pedantic and getting pissed for no reason. And if you actually were as morally-superior as you pretend to be, you'd know the proper term is "unhoused"
Nice job with the fallacies and putting words in my mouth.
Police would be for the carts and bottle throwing.
Hospitals and shelters deal with mental health issues. I’ve never seen a homeless shelter without counselors, but I do suppose places would operate that way in other places.
Why are you even suggesting the police would deal with mental health issues? This is the stigmatizing I’m talking about. And it would be no different between a homeless person or a non-homeless in these situations. So thanks for proving my point again.
And it’s not unhoused, are they called unhoused shelters and societies? No, because you’re being facetious and attacking points I didn’t bring up because you didn’t like being clumped into the group stigmatizing homeless.
Yeah so why do you think they're throwing bottles? The police will arrest them, great, but does that help the underlying cause? Not at all. Cops protect property, not people.
Just wanted to say these replies in my absence were appreciated, cheers.
They could have made it a conversation if they disagreed at all but instead they jumped you for no reason.
Given the comment chain, I’m sure this isn’t a productive use of my time but just to be clear that is not at all what my comment implies. In Perth, where the article is based for example, there are homeless shelters. My point remains that most if not all of them have rules (hint: especially the ones with Saint in their name or vaguely religious sounding), that some are not able to comply with due to the issues they face. Nor do I think “the homeless do this In every city”, or all of them in any given city for that matter, hence my use of “subset”, “a good portion of” and other specifying terms.
but people like you with this viewpoint aren’t going to let them get the help they need.
Your misinterpretation of my comment aside I could probably wager I’ve spent more time with the homeless and around them than most. While they can always use more services and facilities, the group Im referring to (and that the article/OP references) the problem is largely one of rights i.e. involuntary psychiatric detention or outpatient rehab. The former doesn’t happen until they present an immediate threat to others or themselves and once they get released, they disappear and learn to avoid areas (e.g. shelters) where they’re likely to be sectioned by the police again. The belligerent/trouble making group Im referring to (and I’ll reiterate, used the term subset) have generally fallen through the cracks and have absconded from facilities. Or genuinely do not want to attend them due to not wanting “rules”, knowing they’ll be evicted or in the case of violence, knowing they’re no longer welcome there. A more complex approach is required beyond just “building shelters” as the comment I replied to stated.
Don't look up statistics on people getting raped in your shithole country's homeless concentration camps
No one at any point said that the homeless were the problem..what are you talking about?
A City of Perth spokesperson said the devices were installed in response to "ongoing reports" of antisocial and criminal behaviour in the area. They said the devices were not intended to target or deter people experiencing homelessness…
If you believe that “antisocial and criminal behaviour” is actually distinct from “homeless person existing” in the eyes of some people, especially the PTA, then you might be in for a shock.
I think, not 100% sure, the comment you're replying to was supposed to be within the feisty and at times not respectful thread in this comment section. I think its a response to something the other user said, not what the article said.
That is correct, someone went off on another user for not saying something perfectly enough. My reply is showing as a top level comment now?
Something happened there. I noticed its odd placement the other day. But things had settled down, so i thought I'd just leave it.
Maybe fix the homelessness with home-MORE-ness.
Govt: Nah! We need to push them out of sight with a loud sound, fences and "no homeless signs".
You have to think about property values! Won't anybody think of the poor investors!
Theres an ad campaign just waiting to be built around this play on words 😄