Chuck Schumer Helps Pull Democrats Back From Brink Of Courage : theonion

[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 176 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

It's literally this fucking meme every time.

People get told over and over to vote Democrat to prevent fascism, and when the fascists end up elected, the Democrats just fucking collaborate with them anyways. No wonder they're scared of Mamdani.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

USA is a single split personality party state

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 26 points 10 months ago

The illusion of choice is proudly sponsored by the New American Ruling Class.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

One like they imagine themselves to be and one for how they really are

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 7 points 10 months ago

It's giving Smeagol/Gollum

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's amazing how many of you people tacitly suggest that the millions of immigrants at risk of being disappeared aren't America. Because that is what you're saying here — make no mistake.

Edit: I feel I should clarify — you are fucking wrong if you think those immigrants are not Americans. Like never speak in my presence again, wrong.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

By now I think you should vote 3rd party. No, the dems aren't as bad as the fascists, but they won't save you from them either.

[–] scottrepreneur@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Absolutely. We need ranked choice voting to prevent spoiler effect. NYC used it well!

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

It's Italian fascits vs. German fascists.

Nazi collaborators aren't remembered fondly either.

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[–] Meowie_Gamer@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

The onion used to be satire

[+] cosmicpancake@sh.itjust.works 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] credo@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is a bot ^^

[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

How do you know?

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[+] TheBat@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He is the Senate Minority Leader - the head of the opposition. Which opposition essentially rolled over and approved many of Trump's appointments.

Right now, it looks like they might cave and pass legislation to re-open the government, handing more tax breaks to the wealthy and screwing over the 99%.

[+] TheBat@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] borf@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We can't do that, that's against the rules!

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Things will have to be a lot worse before people sign up to go die in a war.

Everyone online is so brave when telling others to go die

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Worse than starving??!

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago

The vast majority of the population is not starving.

SNAP/EBT not receiving funding is certainly terrible, but this only directly impacts 12% of Americans. That is not an insignificant number. However, out of that 12%, 40% are children and 20% are elderly. So only 5% of Americans receiving benefits are not old or children. Doesn't seem like enough people to start a revolution.

I think these numbers do outline how horrific it is, considering food is mostly being taken from the elderly and children. But I think you can quickly see why these people are not rushing off to start a war.

Additionally it's been 10 days and food banks have been able to give out substantial aid. Only a subsection of those people would have ended up missing meals, and some states even funded the program through their own emergency reserves further reducing the number of impacted individuals.

My point is let's not act like it's the lead up to the French revolution and children and dying in the streets of starvation.

I don't want to lessen the impacts this has had to many Americans. It has unduly caused suffering. But is it enough suffering for people to risk their lives and take up arms against the government? Is 12% of the population not receiving food aid a reason to start what would be a bloody civil war? That's up for each person to decide when they are willing to die to uphold their moral convictions.

Would you be rushing to start a war? Would you go to die for this? It's easy to tell others to do so, but when the time comes its not so easy

[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The American public at large who has problems with fascists has been brainwashed into thinking violence is not the answer for decades. The only people in the US who hate fascists and think violence SHOULD be used against them are a very small minority, who ALSO do not want to start shooting first because winning the narrative is just as important as the rebellious act itself. Basically, until the current administration does villainy on the level of the Wounded Knee Massacre, no one will shoot at them. Until that happens, most people are rebelling in ways that are mostly disruptive. Don't get me wrong tho, that IS still a valid form of rebellion.

[–] guy@piefed.social 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Violence is not the answer in a democracy. Unless, you know, fascists capture the state.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When fascists capture the state it isn't a democracy anymore so the first sentence still stands.

[–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago

I'm very exited to see Freedom house's next country report of the US.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Now where have I seen this before..? Hmmm...

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[–] Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

I'm so fucking sick of this. I can't say anything more because it would be unwise for a variety of reasons.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And the only thing they're getting is reinstatement of illegally fired employees and a vote on healthcare.

Sure maybe it'll be bad for some Republicans to vote against healthcare, but that doesn't mean anything to those that rely on it.

Thankfully this is only partial funding. Some parts of the government will get full funding and others will be on another CR through January.

If Republicans vote no on healthcare then by the time tge funding on CR expires Americans will be paying higher healthcare prices. Giving them more leverage to force a yes vote with the second round of budget talks.

I get what they are trying to do, but caving now with no real solutions makes them look weak to the public and definently erodes their power

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 7 points 10 months ago

Not even a vote on healthcare, but a promise of a vote on healthcare.

A healthcare bill that will probably give even more tax cuts to billionaires, de-fund climate change, and require ICE to beat orphans and women.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Enough Democrats caved that they’re ending the shutdown and people are still going to lose healthcare meaning it was entirely for nothing.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fuck Chuck Schumer

[–] Duranie@leminal.space 10 points 10 months ago

I wish I lived in an area to vote for Chuck Schumer so that I could vote for someone else.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

once again making it very clear that the suffering is the point

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The orphans that were not crushed while the orphan crushing machine was unplugged, will they be spared, or just be placed back on the conveyor belt?

[–] Prox@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Back on the belt, of course.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The Republicans are trying to take away health insurance from ~42 million lower income Americans by making it cost many, many times the amount it does now.

Trump has been bullshitting us about his big new plan to replace Obamacare for 9 or more years now, but he's obviously never even thought about it. So he's just killing it, and fucking over Americans who need it.

The democrats refused to accept this, and this led to a government shutdown when the Republicans became obstinant and refused to bargain. That shutdown is going to end now because the democrats just caved. They received nothing, and those 42 million Americans are now fucked.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

did the dems cave already?

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They had a meeting on Thursday to discuss caving, not even two full days after landslide victories all over your country.

Weak sauce politicians need to be replaced with progressives that are unbought and unchained from towing the status quo line.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm Canadian... but have to keep an eye on the dumpster fire the neighbours keep trying to put out with kerosene

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As am I, that's why I say "your country" because I am honest about not having a dog in this fight no matter how much it affects our country.

The problem with dumpster fires is that some idiots on our side of the border think they can get ahead if they light our dumpsters on fire too.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

110 %

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Am I pissed?

Yes.

Are people going to get their SNAP so they can eat and will federal employees start getting paid again and will we avoid a catastrophic holiday travel season and can we shut the government down again in a few months if Republicans don't honor their word, which they won't?

Yes.

This only keeps the government open a while longer. If they fuck around again, they can find out again.

I'd like to think this is a strategy on the Dem's part to show the country that the Republican party is willing to repeatedly shut down the government and hurt Americans instead of coming to the table and negotiating and that the Dems want to make sure people don't starve. I doubt that's it and it's most likely just cowards within the party caving to corporate interests.

Primary them.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They can just pass a budget with a simple majority in January, the republicans have no reason to honor anything they agreed to. The democrats sold out their position.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

They did this to head off a left reaction. That is all.

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