I voted no. I strongly disagree with maga fucks, but I also don't want an echo chamber. Discussion and debate benefit from disagreement.
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as long as they're small and not annoying, it's better to keep them, so ppl can influence them
This is the logic that keeps them and their hateful ideas in the community.
Let them go live in their own bubble.
Locking them out of the broader community is the right choice
What their homepage looks like...
Defed that nonsense please
Agreed
A screenshot made for ants? Am I doing something wrong if I only see blurred text and large pixels when I zoom in in voyager?
This just happens sometimes. I don't know if it's a client thing or a server thing. Opening and closing the image repeatedly will often coax it into loading properly.
That's weird. I swear it was legible when I made that comment
Users can defederate from instances. Just use the tools you already have.
iirc that only works for subs made on that instance, not users from that instance. I'm on Voyager though, so it might be different for me idk
You can block instances on Lemmy. https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-12-15_-_Lemmy_Release_v0.19.0_-_Instance_blocking,_Scaled_sort,_and_Federation_Queue
That blocks comms, not users. Which is exactly what the comment you replied to is saying. How did your non-answer pick up so many upvotes?
Just block them. It can't be that hard seeing it's only 26 of them. Once again, you have tools to solve the problem for yourself. Use them.
Defederation is also a tool.
You (and others like you) want to push your will and opinions on to other users by asking the admins to do a instance wide defederation of the instance. Got it. Because once again, you have tools to solve the problem for yourself.
You (and others like you) want to push your will and opinions on to other users
Paradox of tolerance. We're not the ones who refuse to tolerate the existence of others.
The post on Science Memes got downvoted into oblivion, which is funny.
But yeah, we should probably defed these pos.
They should be defederated.
Their hateful ideas should have no place here.
Defederate, we saw what the_donald become. If anything, to avoid the bots and agitators.
ooooh i also love banning everyone with an opinion that differs from mine. I do it in all my communities. Cleanse the nonbelievers! Purify our echo chamber!
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Purify our echo chamber!
Purify our echo chamber!
That 'differing opinion' is somebody else's right to exist
Hate is not an opinion and hate is all that maga stands for.
Says the person who wants an echo-chamber
Defederate. Let the right-wingers have their echo-chambers in isolation
And keep your own echo-chamber? I'm very disappointed in this community... I haven't come across any posts from that community but their front page looks no worse than news@lemmy.ml just with a different slant. They don't even have any comments so the community must be tiny.
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I haven't seen any evidence of their users consistently violating rules of other instances, I've only seen intolerant communities on their instance. That should not be grounds for defederation, we should only defederate if their instance refuses to deal with reported abuse from their users.
So I'll vote no on this. While I very much disagree politically w/ that instance, I don't think that's enough to defederate.
The only interactions I've had with them was a user trolling.
If you have evidence, post it. If we have any mods who have experience working w/ their admins, we should have that evidence as well.
meh, I'm not going to convince you. Just vote no. Besides:
Bait?
If we make decisions based on a difference of opinion, we'll just create a massive echo chamber. To avoid that, defederation needs to be based on actual rules, and I think those rules should center around moderation. Regardless of the other instance's views, if their moderation keeps up with reports, we should stay federated. I don't know if that's the case, hence the ask for evidence.
Nazis shouldn't be given a seat at the table. That's my take.
When your "opinions" consist if racism and hate, they cease to be opinion.
As long as they keep their opinions in whatever community they choose and don't force it down anyone's throat, I'm fine with it existing. I'd rather have ugly opinions openly debated instead of festering in the background where others get sucked in and we get a pathway to extremism. It's pretty easy to just block the odd community that pops up all you never see it again.
Debate them or ignore them, but completely blocking them just kneecaps this burgeoning platform. Nobody is going to join if the standard is "only leftists that meet this litmus test".
Obviously you can vote however you choose, I personally prefer to lean on the side of allowing content vs blocking it outright, at least until they refuse to obey our rules when in our communities.
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As a general rule, I am against defederation unless the instance is going to cause liability or technical problems (bot spamming, illegal content, etc.)
This instance in particular is closer to banning a user that is self hosting. It is closed, requires account approval, and thusly defederation will not catch any unknowing users in a dragnet.
So I think defederation is a reasonable exception for this instance, especially given the community vote in progress.
I would like the option to vote to defer to the moderators. Reason being while I think it is valid to keep their community exposed to outside, less supportive, takes on their ideology, I also understand that the community has potential to be a particularly toxic and hostile one, so I understand if our moderators (who I am very appreciative of) don't want to take on the task of keeping them in check on this community.
Also, those of you upvoting and downvoting votes are wild.
I navigated the instance some. The amount of disinformation on its posts is concerning to me. I hadent personally been effected but the potential is worrisome.
I believe in an open internet so my vote is no
I think we should be wary and keep them on a short leash, but I don't see them causing enough trouble here in October 2025 to defederate. If I'd wanted a safe space I would have gone to Beehaw.
I'm reminded of a story about a bartender, who immediately kicked out a Nazi simply for entering the establishment. The Nazi wasn't causing any trouble. But the rational was that once you start allowing Nazis in "because they're nice", they'll start inviting their friends, who might not be so nice. Now your bar is a Nazi bar, and they become much harder to kick out because "you already let us in, why do you have a problem now?"
Nazis (and fascists in general) use the same tricks as narcissistic people, by holding you to your words because you believe in words. They don't, so they happily trample all over you once you let your guard down.
Nazism, by definition, is hateful and violent ideology. Maga is following in their footsteps. They have no place in this world.
That's the one!
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We have an openly fascist president who reads Mein Kampf and administration members who combined have made Nazis comfortable literally doing Nazi salutes on international broadcast TV. IMO the U.S. IS the Nazi bar in the story - we let one Nazi in and now they've brought all their friends. Let's not repeat that mistake on Lemmy.
Give them the boot.
Please defed them if my vote is allowed.
i appreciate your input, but I have a question. did you just find this post or was there a link to it somewhere?
the comments are so active for an 8 day old post and idk why
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Yes for defederation
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