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It has come to my attention that there is some minor unrest on Hexbear due to statements they believe I made that they did not appreciate. there has been some small misunderstanding regarding them, so allow me, dear reader, to make my position clear so these terrible rumors can be put to rest.

some time ago, another user on our matrix asked for tips on trolling Hexbear in their communities. specifically, they asked what might be said that would garner the most rage. as I generally consider myself to be the obliging sort, I offered what pearls of wisdom I could.

now, a thoughtful reader might wonder why I didn't react with abject horror at the idea of someone trolling Hexbear, for that, I can only say that perhaps I thought it was proper comuppence for the brigading and harassment Hexbear used to perpetrate across the fediverse.

but I digress. the specific pearls of wisdom I offered were as such.


le gasp! how terrible! what scoundrel, what worthless cur would say that the soviet civilians deserved such a fate! genocide! fascist! liberal!

as you might have guessed, discerning reader, Hexbear posits that such a scoundrel is me. they insist, that by saying the soviets deserved what they got, that I am actively supporting the genocide of twenty-seven million civilians. there are two problems with this, however.

one, I never said civilians. this is a word put into my mouth by tankies that are too fucking stupid to understand plain english. one would think that it is pretty obvious that it wasn't some poor farmer that was invading Poland for profit, but if one were to think such, then one wouldn't be a braindead tankie shitstain, and would instead be someone at least capable of the level of higher thought that evolution gave a jellyfish. it's pretty obvious to normal people that the ones gleefully invading other countries alongside the nazis were, in fact, soldiers. here they were at least right when they assumed I was gleefully celebrating the deaths of those soldiers. they fought with the nazis, they invaded other countries, and they don't get to absolve themselves of working with the nazis just because hitler turned on them, and because tankies think that the country that supposedly single-handily fought and won WW2 are also the poor victims of the war who had no choice in their actions.

two, there were no soviet civilians, merely innocent asian/eastern european souls that were held hostage by the soviet oligarchy and forced into starvation and destitution by an authoritarian system that valued propaganda more than human beings. the vast majority of those people probably would not have chosen to live in a dystopian hellhole were they given a chance, any more than the average North Korean wants to starve to death under the Kims. they were as much soviets as you or I, merely people with no freedom, and no other option but to live under the crushing boot of the imperialist USSR. they didn't help the nazis, because they were powerless in the face of the state.

neither of these two points has stopped Hexbear from whipping themselves into a frothing echo chamber of self-righteous disgust and anger, and demanding that I be removed from my mod positions and banned. a demand which has, so far, fallen on deaf ears that are used to the utter bullshit so often spewed by these feckless internet warriors. if there was an award for arguing in bad faith, we all know the reeking denizens of the lower planes we all colloquially call The Triad would win it.

as you probably have gathered by now, this is not an apology. I did not do anything wrong, especially not what they have accused me of, and so I will not apologize for it. not that they would be willing to consider such an apology anyway, because for them there is only one truth, and that is that they are always right, and everyone who is not them is an enemy and always wrong.

now, they have banned me, and so they can't see this, so I will instead tag @cowbee@lemmy.ml, a known affiliate of these heathens, who spent three paragraphs the other day downplaying the persecution of LGBT+ in the USSR before grudgingly using a mere two sentences in admitting the treatment.

my one regret, of course, is that since I have now blocked everyone from The Triad, I won't be able to read the no doubt angry replies they are fiercely typing out, in which they'll likely pour over my history to try and find something they can spin as damning evidence to back up their preconceptions. actually, now that I consider it, I find I don't regret that at all.

in conclusion, I want to say thank you to the comrades that have supported me through these almost trying times, fuck you to the haters who want to be me, and thank you to the haters who made the thread about me on c/Slop like I asked. you're the real MVP!

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

there were no soviet civilians, merely innocent asian/eastern european souls that were held hostage by the soviet oligarchy

I'm going with YTA just based on this dumbass statement. Using your own logic there's no USA civilians, merely innocent souls that are held hostage by the American oligarchy (which is the kind of dumbass statement I would expect hexbears to make, but I digress)

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago

I don’t believe nations should even exist, so I sure as fuck don’t identify as a US citizen.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So your justification is "yes, I was encouraging Nazi apologia, but it's ok because I was doing it to antagonise and troll people!"

Also, why do you write like the most insufferable wannabe Joss Whedon imaginable?

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Anyway, keep it civil and y'all engage in good faith please.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

The op is already uncivil and bad faith though

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I really doubt this is going to be good-faith, he directly stated that he wants the drama in the post body. I'm not going to share this to c/slop, and I really don't think anything good will come of this post, especially since cryptagion is already banned and nobody he is trying to address (other than me) can see this or respond.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I believe cryptagion is just trying to counter the bad faith disinfo being replicated in c/slop just in case anyone believes it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cryptagion admitted to being very ill-informed and assumed 27 million was the number of Red Army soldiers killed, but the fact that he didn't bother to check and went straight for "they deserved it" and is encouraging others to post in other comms about how the soviets deserved being victims of the Nazis is clearly bad-faith behavior to begin with, no? If cryptagion actually wanted to clear his name, he could have just apologized and clarified by saying he only meant the Red Army (as horrendous as those views are regardless), but now he's doubling down and inviting needless drama.

It's your comm and your instance, so do what you like, obviously, but I genuinely can't imagine anything good coming from this. I like a lot of users here, and I'd rather Hex and dbzer0 not defederate because of that, but I can easily see this resulting in that.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

As far as I can tell, cryptagion didn't encourage it, that person was planning to do it anyway. We agree that it would have probably been better to try to convince for a different course of action, but that's not really a huge failing.

Whats causing the friction here is people blowing it out of proportion, adding plenty of disinfo and end up calling cryptagion a "genocide denying groomer nazi" and then calling for a defed because of that. I can't fault crypt for feeling they need to respond to stuff like that

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can't agree with the idea that offering suggestions doesn't constitute encouragement, but even beyond that, the friction comes from cryptagion's inflammatory behavior. There was one good instance of good-faith here, and it was when he apologized for misgendering me. Even after I made it clear that I didn't want to make this a big deal, in what I thought was the cleanest way, he doubled down and went for more personal attacks. The response to cryptagion's comments and behavior is because of his comments and behavior.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I am of the opinion that hostile or even toxic behaviour of someone does not excuse retaliating with disinfo like that. Yes cryptagion is a bit too much sometimes, and I do wish they could chill a bit, but they've literally blocked your whole instance so they don't have to interact with y'all, and hexbear still drove itself into a fury though nothing more than talking to each other in your own comm.

You always get people with more extreme opinions. Crypt apparently takes a very hard stance towards collaboration with nazis. That doesn't make them a nazi or a genocide denier. These are some downright bizarre takes which are nevertheless the standard take in c/slop

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

We can agree to disagree here, I'm not interested in letting this spiral. I've said everything I feel necessary to say here.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

That doesn’t make them a nazi or a genocide denier.

Man, he is literally in these comments denying the Nazi genocide of the Soviet Union and saying that every dead Soviet soldier deserved it for not surrendering to the Nazis.

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[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I’ve been told tagging in OP doesn’t work, so I’ll tag @cowbee@lemmy.ml here so she can pass this on to Hexbear.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

I don't use she/her pronouns, your screengrab shows that quite clearly.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You've accidentally misgendered cowbee, fyi.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh shit I did, I heard people on matrix refer to them as she, so I didn’t even bother checking.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If people are deliberately misgendering people on a different platform, then that's a signifier of a bigger problem, no? I have never gone by she/her in my life.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I keep joking about it, but maybe some actually think I'm an alt.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

I've heard that before, but even then, if he's going to call me out directly, at least check the pronouns in the screengrab he's using, right?

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I doubt it's accidental, given that he's deliberately stating that he's trying to troll us. I'll take an apology though.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I unblocked .ML specifically to apologize to you for this. I don’t usually use desktop to access fedi, but did so in order to make the screenshots prettier. I don’t see displays names on Voyager, and I didn’t think to check your display name on PC even though it was right in front of me. That was my bad, I should have done better.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough, I accept your apology.

For clarity, I don't intend on sharing this in c/Slop. I don't want to entertain this drama-baiting, I deliberately refuse to make posts in ye power tripping bastards or in slop because I personally despise the kind of drama-baiting that goes on around here. I also don't intend on responding to your post body, because at the moment it just seems like you're seeking attention and want to take me down with you. I'd rather not participate in that.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My bad, I assumed since you had already taken part in the c/Slop thread and propagated this ridiculous lie about me, that you wouldn’t mind further involvement in it.

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

Hey, while you've unblocked .ml, I just want to slip something in:

You're weak as hell.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I didn't propogate any lies, when you say "the 27 million soviets deserved it" then that goes well beyond anarchist critique of the USSR and straight into support for genocide. 14 million is the most common estimate out of those 27 million that were civilians, even if we took the (wrong) stance that the Red Army was evil, they made up less than half of those you said "deserved it." The soviets were multinational peoples, many of which were specifically targeted by the Nazis as a part of the holocaust.

I really don't care for getting into the weeds in this thread. What's true is that you did say 14 million civilian non-combatants deserved to be used as bloodbags for Nazis, shot, starved, and tortured. This statement was so bad it even got your comment removed from Lemmy.world, which we all know is a liberal hellscape. I encourage you to do some major self-crit, this is clearly unhealthy behavior.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

when you say “the 27 million soviets deserved it”

I assumed that 27 million was the number of soldiers, but even if the number is 13 million soldiers dead, that's not genocide. you can't invade other countries, purposefully throw your soldiers into a meat grinder so you can look good and say you didn't lose, then whine about how your military is being "genocided".

I don't feel bad for the soviet solders any more than I feel bad for the russian soldiers in ukraine right now. they choose to be there by not surrendering or turning on their officers. if they get wiped out to the last man, that's on them. they deserve what they're getting for invading another country, the same way the US deserved what it got in iraq and afganistan.

What’s true is that you did say 14 million civilian non-combatants deserved to be used as bloodbags for Nazis, shot, starved, and tortured.

not once have I ever said that. that's just your average tankie misrepresentation. you're making shit up because you would rather have something to whine about in c/Slop.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

they choose to be there by not surrendering

You think Soviet soldiers deserved to die because they didn't surrender to the Nazis...

Holy shit, you really are a Nazi apologist

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You said the 27 million soviets that died deserved it. Everyone in that thread was including the civilian deaths, because civilians outnumbered the deaths of the soldiers. There was no "meat-grinder" that the soviets were throwing people into to "look good," it was a war of existence for the soviets. POWs, when they were taken by the Nazis, were subject to especially brutal treatment compared to POWs taken from the French, British, Statesians, and more, because the various soviet ethnicities were seen as ethnically inferior while the western European allies were seen more as equals by the Nazis.

Nothing here is a lie, nobody else is responsible for your misinterpretation. Taken even with the most charitable, good-faith interpretation possible, you're still saying the communists deserved to take by far the hardest brunt of the Nazi onslaught and deserved to pay by far the highest price while the western allies who had been on far friendlier terms and even were covering for private investments such as from Ford during the war got away with far more minimal damage.

Again, do some self-crit. This goes well-beyond anarchist critique of Marxism and fully into reactionary nonsense.

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You said the 27 million soviets that died deserved it.

ironic that you are currently talking in a comm called Slop, because like chatgpt, tankies have a hallucination problem. I never once said anything about civilians, and no matter how hard you wish it, you can't edit my posts to make it say that either.

There was no “meat-grinder” that the soviets were throwing people into to “look good,” it was a war of existence for the soviets.

yeah, I'm sure it was for survival that stalin killed what, two million of his soldiers for a city he named after himself? definitely no deaths for one man's vanity in that war.

Taken even with the most charitable, good-faith interpretation possible

i've never met a tankie capable of anything in good faith. certainly not when it comes to anarchists, which you've been murdering for as long as we've been helping you. you're not psychically capable of even considering the smallest possibility that you could be wrong.

but enough is enough, I suppose. I've had .ML unblocked for long enough I'm starting to smell the anti-LGBT+ taint from here, so I'm blocking you all again. enjoy the circle-jerking in c/Slop you claim to hate so much. it's gonna keep me warm tonight knowing I'll always be on your mind.

ta-ta for now!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is just more drama-baiting, I already explained clearly why everyone interpreted you as saying the civilians deserved it was because the number discussed was over half civilian. The rest of your comment is just creating a strawman of me, clearly bad-faith (I'm queer myself and you misgendered me originally, even if you apologized), and then running off. What's your point?

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mad respect for your clear setting of boundaries and not getting baited into an argument/debate you specifically said you refused to have.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I can't help but feel you're being sarcastic because I did get a bit swept up, even if I tried not to be, but thanks if you're being genuine!

Honestly this petty drama mostly comes from a handful of users, most people are more chill.

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No sorry, not trying to be sarcastic at all! You started responding to some of the things op said, then in the comment I replied to pulled back and reinforced the fact that you weren’t playing that game with them. I was expecting the conversation to get more heated, with longer and longer replies from both of yall, and was pleasantly surprised to see you not continue with that shit.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

Oh, then thanks! I appreciate it. Yea, usually I would be far more willing to clearly answer everything he said but in this case it's clear that the drama is the point of it all, and nobody here is going to gain anything.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly this petty drama mostly comes from a handful of users, most people are more chill.

Yes, exactly, it's all so pointless. The manufactured outrage, polemic arguments, and bad faith takes on both sides is nothing but a waste of time and effort. Particularly when it's over grievances that happened generations ago. It really shouldn't surprise anyone that a lot of anarchists hate stalin's ussr and regard the molotov–ribbentrop pact as a disgrace. And yes, it was also disgraceful that european leaders spurned a deal with the soviets to counter hitler when one was on the table. We don't need to re-litigate the whole topic because I know we view this differently.

There was simply no need for it to descend into an self-indulgent orgy of manufactured outrage over this topic as happened in c/slop - but that's kind of their MO I guess (free tagline? lol). And crytagion and kittyroll did kick all this off, so they brought it on themselves and I don't have much sympathy for them. But why bother going through the same old motions with nothing to show for it? I've refrained from responding to questions in c/slop because its completely obvious it would turn out badly, no matter what I said in there.

I honestly like having some ml and hexbear users around our instance nowadays, including yourself, because they often have some good takes, deep historical knowledge, and good humour. But they have to appreciate that most of our users are not very sympathetic towards the USSR (particularly during the stalinist period) or to modern day russia either because of, you know, the whole authoritarian dictator thing. Again, surprising nobody I would have thought. But there's also a whole bunch of stuff we do agree on. I think as a matter of inter-instance harmony, there are some hot button issues that are best avoided when posting on an external instance.

Do you have any ideas how to defuse or avoid these situations in future? I'm open to suggestions.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not going to get into where we disagree here, if people want to get into that then there's a time and place for it, and they can just ask me or others about it.

In my opinion, you can avoid this conflict a few ways:

  1. Ban Marxism, become an explicitly anarchist instance. Hex and Grad don't fight even though Grad is anti-anarchist, and it's because lines are clear. Obviously I don't like this idea, and I know some of your users wouldn't, but fighting may go down. Not a great solution, though.

  2. Ban sectarianism, and be stricter about civility. Adopt a more hex-like stance on banning leftist infighting. Again, not really your MO, most likely.

  3. Ban or give users that do this drama-baiting a slap on the wrist. Give them a timeout, temp ban, or just try to talk to them and get them to stop.

Those are the best ideas I've got, if you want to avoid defederating, or if you don't like things as they are. If things are fine, by all means, wait for this to blow over, maybe block the thread, and things will go back to normal until they flare up again. The dbzer0 users that like Hex and such already go to Hex, the ones that don't avoid it, and the reverse is true for Hex users and dbzer0.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty low stakes, so I'm happy to let it blow over, but thanks for the ideas. Our admins did previously discuss the idea of banning certain topics on the instance that almost always provoke arguments / drama, and instead have a dedicated community with posts for each of those topics where such discussions can be contained (and easily avoided). But it's not gone past the concept stage yet and we would obviously need to gauge community support.

The dbzer0 users that like Hex and such already go to Hex, the ones that don’t avoid it, and the reverse is true for Hex users and dbzer0.

Amen to that.

For what it’s worth, I try to leave dbzer0 to y’all unless it’s a thread I think most of us can agree on in comms like ye power tripping bastards, and then it’s a toss up if dbzer0 users or sh.itjust.works users swarm me just for being there (like the thread goat drama-baited on a few days ago). I think boundaries are best when they are clear.

Yeah I felt bad for ya on that one. Seems like a high proportion of canadian conservatives on that instance, who are basically MAGA-lite.

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[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I always prefer the benefit of the doubt, and he has corrected the comment FYI

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

Fair enough.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I almost cringed in half reading this. You guys really got nothing better to do than try to start Lemmy drama over stupid shit like this?

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Same bro, don’t lump us all in on this please.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I guess I didn’t mean “you guys” I just meant this one, specific guy.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This one specific guy moderates multiple coms

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well maybe he shouldn’t.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

He shouldn't, but it seems like the admin has his back

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago

That’s fair.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It has been [ 0 ] days since new stupid hexbear drama cropped up

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 11 months ago

As a stupid person on the internet, y'all are far too invested in the fake drama of stupid people on the internet

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago

This type of petty interpersonal drama between users on the local instance and users on remote instances is exactly why I stopped using my sh.itjust.works account. I have no idea what prompted this, and I don’t care to read the post in its entirety to find out, but a response like this reads as extremely childish and distinctly not the type of post or discourse I want to surround myself with on my local instance.

I don’t want to advocate for censoring anyone, but crypt, try to lock it the fuck up.

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